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[00:00:00] Bruce Anthonoy: I had a realization yesterday. I'm gonna talk about it, and Anthony Mackey talks about masculinity. We gonna get into it. Let's get it

[00:00:18] Bruce Anthonoy: welcome. First of all, welcome. This is Unsolicited Perspectives. I'm your host, Bruce Anthony. Here to lead the conversation in important events and topics that are shaping today's society. Join the conversation or follow us wherever you [00:00:30] get your audio podcast. Subscribe to our YouTube channel for our video podcast and YouTube exclusive content rate review.

[00:00:36] Bruce Anthonoy: Like, comment, share, share with your friends, share with your family. Hell even share with your enemies. On today's episode, it's the sibling happy hour. I'm here with my sis, Jay, Andrea. We're gonna be dilly daddying a little bit, and then we're gonna be talking about masculinity, American masculinity, and then we're gonna be talking about the trade war affecting our porn.

[00:00:57] Bruce Anthonoy: But that's enough of the intro. Let's get to the show.[00:01:00]

[00:01:06] Sibling Happy Hour: Spicy Takes & Drinks 🍹🌶️

[00:01:06] Bruce Anthonoy: What up sis?

[00:01:07] J. Aundrea: What up?

[00:01:09] Bruce Anthonoy: I can't call it. I can't call it, but you sure as hell can

[00:01:13] J. Aundrea: I'm here though. I got a little stomach bug, but I'm, I'm, I'm here for the people.

[00:01:18] Bruce Anthonoy: you Here for the people got new headband on. It's more colorful.

[00:01:24] J. Aundrea: Yeah. Uh, you know, last episode. [00:01:30] It looked like my wig was sliding off, but it was my headband. It was not, my wig was not sliding off. It was my headband. So I was like, okay, let me change the headband so then people can see, my wig is not sliding off.

[00:01:47] Bruce Anthonoy: Right. Yeah. No, I, I thought it was funny and it was funny that you, you sent me a text and you was like, you need to fix this, and I.

[00:01:56] J. Aundrea: What you, what am I gonna do? an emoji over your head. I [00:02:00] was like, whatever you gotta do.

[00:02:02] Bruce Anthonoy: No, nobody even noticed now. They gonna, now they're gonna notice since we brought attention.

[00:02:07] J. Aundrea: and

[00:02:07] Bruce Anthonoy: Yeah,

[00:02:08] J. Aundrea: Ooh, it do look like a wig slipping off head.

[00:02:11] Bruce Anthonoy: I probably could have just let it slide, but No, no, I'm gonna bring it up.

[00:02:14] J. Aundrea: Yeah. No, that's cool. I mean, it is what it is. Uh, already shot the show. It's over. It's out there.

[00:02:20] Bruce Anthonoy: Show was out there.

[00:02:21] J. Aundrea: It's in the ether, so I mean, it is what it is.

[00:02:24] "Accidentally" Too Much Fun: Drinking Stories and Episode Length 🍻🤪

[00:02:24] Bruce Anthonoy: So ladies and gentlemen, my sister is working hurt. So I don't know how long this episode is gonna be. It might, it might not be the normal [00:02:30] like hour plus that we normally do. It might be closer to like 45, 50 minutes. 'cause

[00:02:34] J. Aundrea: I.

[00:02:35] Bruce Anthonoy: I'm dragging a little bit myself because I accidentally drank too much yesterday.

[00:02:39] J. Aundrea: Accidentally

[00:02:40] Bruce Anthonoy: Yeah, no seriously. No, no, no, no. It was absolutely an accident. 'cause I know how you've been around me on my drinking days.

[00:02:47] J. Aundrea: Yes.

[00:02:48] Bruce Anthonoy: Uh, people out there are really worried about me. Like, you drink a lot. Yeah. Don't worry about yourself. Don't worry about me.

[00:02:53] J. Aundrea: Right. Here's

[00:02:55] Bruce Anthonoy: worry about you

[00:02:56] J. Aundrea: Here's the thing. is does he still get his business [00:03:00] taken care of? And

[00:03:02] Bruce Anthonoy: all the time. Yes.

[00:03:04] J. Aundrea: So. Relax.

[00:03:07] Bruce Anthonoy: And I be handling business, that's for sure. But no, it was an accident yesterday because. I bought these solo cups instead of drinking from my normal cup. And I don't know, maybe the measurements is all, all, or

[00:03:19] J. Aundrea: measurements are

[00:03:19] Bruce Anthonoy: I,

[00:03:20] J. Aundrea: yeah.

[00:03:20] Bruce Anthonoy: yeah. Or I was just having a great day yesterday, just vibing, doing absolutely nothing.

[00:03:25] Bruce Anthonoy: You ever sit on the couch and just look around and you at peace and then you start kicking your [00:03:30] feet, swinging your feet. Like I'm happy right now. That's,

[00:03:32] J. Aundrea: Giggling and, and kicking your feet under a blanket. Yes,

[00:03:35] Bruce Anthonoy: I had, I wouldn't, had no blanket, but

[00:03:37] J. Aundrea: but no, I have cups, but as you can see, I got a solo cup here. It's something about solo cup, the stuff, it just tastes better coming out of the solo cup. So I don't know. I, I feel you on that. And so

[00:03:51] Bruce Anthonoy: Yeah,

[00:03:52] J. Aundrea: you got the solo cup, you drinking and you look up and you

[00:03:55] Bruce Anthonoy: I.

[00:03:55] J. Aundrea: like, oh, I didn't mean to do that.

[00:03:58] Bruce Anthonoy: No, I didn't mean to, I was up until [00:04:00] one 30 yesterday, I was editing some stuff that's posted today. 'cause I wanted to be done with it. Uh, I didn't wanna wake up in the morning to have to do it, but I kept drinking till one 30 in the morning and I'll typically drink that late. And so I woke up a little haggard, you know, I woke up tasting the alcohol and I was like, oh yeah, I, I really drank last night.

[00:04:19] J. Aundrea: see me, I couldn't get to, you know, I, I, I take Adderall because I have a DHD, so sometimes it makes it difficult to get to sleep and I wasn't feeling well, so I took a [00:04:30] sedative.

[00:04:30] Bruce Anthonoy: Okay.

[00:04:32] J. Aundrea: Lemme tell you something, don't take them things just outta be prepared

[00:04:40] Bruce Anthonoy: Then what? What do you, what do you need to be prepared for?

[00:04:42] J. Aundrea: It is gonna knock you on your behind.

[00:04:44] J. Aundrea: I was out and couldn't move. Like when I woke up, I was just like, I can't even move my body.

[00:04:51] Bruce Anthonoy: Well, is it the sedative or is it the fact that you don't feel well?

[00:04:54] J. Aundrea: think it's a combination of both,

[00:04:55] Bruce Anthonoy: Yeah, that, that's what I think is a combination of both two.

[00:04:58] J. Aundrea: don't typically take. [00:05:00] You know, anything to get to sleep. 'cause usually I could be out like a light, but for some reason yesterday I couldn't, took a sed and your girl was down for the count. Phone ringing, text messages going off, don't now replying nothing.

[00:05:16] Bruce Anthonoy: You and I, you and I are different than that 'cause I have to literally wear myself out to go to sleep. I mean, I have to waste all of my energy and if I don't do it during that day, I am not gonna sleep well.

[00:05:29] J. Aundrea: Yeah, [00:05:30] no, I can, I usually can hit the pillow and I'll be out, but I just couldn't, and so I was like, lemme take a sedative. I, I don't know if I'm gonna do that again. Don't do it while you.

[00:05:43] Kobe Bryant Revisited: A Deep Dive into Masculinity and Accountability 🏀💭

[00:05:43] Bruce Anthonoy: Another reason why I was probably drinking a lot last night is because I had an epiphany and it was deep. So I know typically the dilly daddling, we like to like ease our way into serious talk. Uh, but we gonna talk about porn later on. So, I mean, that's [00:06:00] jokes there, there's, there's some humor in there. So I was watching this documentary and it's about Kobe.

[00:06:04] Bruce Anthonoy: I don't remember what streaming site, 'cause we got so many of 'em. But, um. It was a, just a Kobe doc and it just came out this year and it was first talking about his, the first episode was talking about his upbringing, you know, had how he lived in Italy and didn't really come here until he, he left for Italy around six and didn't really come here until like high school.

[00:06:25] Bruce Anthonoy: So that's the reason why everybody kind of thought like he's a of my generation. [00:06:30] He was in high school when I was in high school. We all kind of thought that he was kind of lame

[00:06:33] J. Aundrea: Yeah.

[00:06:34] Bruce Anthonoy: it was just because he was European. He wasn't American.

[00:06:37] J. Aundrea: Mm-hmm.

[00:06:37] Bruce Anthonoy: That's where he grew up. He grew up in Italy, so he just didn't have that American swag,

[00:06:41] J. Aundrea: Yeah.

[00:06:42] Bruce Anthonoy: the second episode.

[00:06:43] Bruce Anthonoy: And, and to, to put a disclaimer, I'm a huge Kobe Bryant fan. Love being cried the day he died.

[00:06:53] J. Aundrea: And

[00:06:53] Bruce Anthonoy: Cried.

[00:06:53] J. Aundrea: Kobe, the making of a legend.

[00:06:55] Bruce Anthonoy: Yes, that's exactly what it is.

[00:06:57] J. Aundrea: TV is on there. It's on

[00:06:59] Bruce Anthonoy: It's on Apple [00:07:00] tv.

[00:07:00] J. Aundrea: Mm-hmm.

[00:07:00] Bruce Anthonoy: I didn't even know I had Apple tv.

[00:07:02] J. Aundrea: too,

[00:07:03] Bruce Anthonoy: Okay.

[00:07:03] J. Aundrea: do you think you watch for all mankind?

[00:07:05] Bruce Anthonoy: Yep. You, you're absolutely right. Uh, our brother comes over here, just puts stuff on my, uh, fire stick. And then next thing I know I got, hey, because he wanna watch something like, Hey, I guess I got this now.

[00:07:16] J. Aundrea: Yeah.

[00:07:17] Bruce Anthonoy: so the second episode gets to the sexual assault allegation that happened in Colorado, uh, back in oh three.

[00:07:25] J. Aundrea: Mm-hmm.

[00:07:26] Bruce Anthonoy: Now, during this time, I have always been a [00:07:30] person to give women. The benefit of a doubt because especially through, uh, when, when there's accusations of sexual assault,

[00:07:38] J. Aundrea: Yeah.

[00:07:39] Bruce Anthonoy: because there are far more cases of it actually happening than false reporting.

[00:07:45] Bruce Anthonoy: Um, and I know men of trifling, I knew men of trifling even when I was in the most this is, and this is 2003. I'm at the height of my toxic masculinity. I'm at the height. You don't get no worse than me. In 2003, I am [00:08:00] toxic all the way around.

[00:08:01] J. Aundrea: then of course, you imagine yourself with a bunch of money and fame,

[00:08:05] Bruce Anthonoy: Mm-hmm.

[00:08:06] J. Aundrea: right?

[00:08:06] Bruce Anthonoy: Yes. So I remember reading the case and so that's what, you know, me researcher, I'm like, I'm not going to just go on what the news was reporting. I'm going to read the case. And when I read the case, I was just like, oh, he didn't do it.

[00:08:19] J. Aundrea: Mm-hmm.

[00:08:19] Bruce Anthonoy: Like this is them trying to get at him. And I remember in 2003, and so for the last 20 plus years I've been like, he didn't do that.

[00:08:28] Bruce Anthonoy: He definitely didn't do that. Well, [00:08:30] I'm watching this documentary and I completely forgot that, uh, they did drop the case because the accuser says she did wanna testify, um, things that I forgot. She was only 19 years old and the media scrutiny was absolutely ridiculous. She was a small town girl. Um. And another thing that I completely forgot, Kobe all but admitted it when he wrote, when he, there was a civil case after the criminal case was dropped and he settled

[00:08:59] J. Aundrea: Mm-hmm.

[00:08:59] Bruce Anthonoy: and then [00:09:00] wrote her an apology basically saying, you know, I'm sorry, I thought it was consensual, but now I see that you don't see that it was consensual.

[00:09:06] Bruce Anthonoy: And I was like, oh, so you did this this whole time.

[00:09:10] J. Aundrea: Well, here's the thing, this is I, I'm not giving anyone a pass. Anyone, but there was a time there where men needed a lot of education on what consent actually was, that you [00:09:30] can't consent and you're, you're drunk or you're high, or you can't consent. You know, coercion is not consent or things like that.

[00:09:39] J. Aundrea: There were a lot of things, but y'all just think, oh, I'm just, I'm just begging a little bit, you know? And then she gives in, you know, there are, there are a lot of, um, instances where I'm sure he thought he had gained consent and that just was not the case. And, um, I don't know the [00:10:00] details of the case, but I think both can be true.

[00:10:04] Bruce Anthonoy: Yeah, I, and as I've taken, I had to take, as I've taken myself back and look at it.

[00:10:14] J. Aundrea: Hmm

[00:10:15] Bruce Anthonoy: Oh, I tend to believe her now way more than I did back then last. Back then I was like, oh, this is a money grab. 'cause he's Kobe being Bryant. 'cause he was a superstar. This is before he was black mamba. This is when he was Mr.

[00:10:29] Bruce Anthonoy: McDonald's.

[00:10:29] J. Aundrea: [00:10:30] Yes.

[00:10:30] Bruce Anthonoy: had taken that Michael Jordan like route and he was like, America's darling. And then this happened. And I was like, oh nah man. Kobe Brown wouldn't do that. And now I'm like, wait a minute. I'm older now and I know how power works, especially men who are powerful and how men who are powerful don't like rejection.

[00:10:52] Bruce Anthonoy: And I say, oh, I needed to take a step back and be like, well, no, maybe Kobe did that and I hate to think about this or even bring this up. 'cause man [00:11:00] passed away like the, I believe the world died when Kobe died. 'cause that's when Covid happened, right? Like Kobe passed away. Gianna passes away. Covid happens.

[00:11:09] Bruce Anthonoy: The world.

[00:11:10] J. Aundrea: Yeah.

[00:11:11] Bruce Anthonoy: I'm a huge fan of Kobe, but I now, in retrospect, I have to examine myself and say, yo, I can't give this a blind pass, that he didn't do it. Like I have to look at the facts and be like, yo. Odds are he did absolutely do this right? Like is it as [00:11:30] horrific as some people would imagine? Maybe not, but nevertheless, does it matter how people can imagine how horrific it is?

[00:11:37] Bruce Anthonoy: It's still a violation of another person I remember. Mm-hmm.

[00:11:41] J. Aundrea: went through that same realization of like, it, my intent doesn't matter. What was the impact of my actions?

[00:11:49] Bruce Anthonoy: Especially when he had all daughters like that had like, he became this girl dad, but like that had to have hit him, examining himself. [00:12:00] 'cause I mean, he was a kid at the time. I think he was like 2003. I think he's two years older than me. So he is 25. And you say, well that's not a kid. No, no, you, you still a kid.

[00:12:09] J. Aundrea: much is a,

[00:12:10] Bruce Anthonoy: It.

[00:12:11] J. Aundrea: looking back on that age, you're very much a, a child. But they were, they were both, um. Young, they were both young and, you know, wa was the apology letter part of a legal thing, part of also him examining his own behavior? [00:12:30] Um, I think it was a little bit of both, but yeah, the, I mean, you especially men, have to understand that sometimes it's not. The person grabbing you in the alleyway. Right. Sometimes it's just a power dynamic makes you feel unsafe, and then to the point where you like, okay, get out of this situation,

[00:12:57] Bruce Anthonoy: Yes.

[00:12:58] J. Aundrea: to do some [00:13:00] things.

[00:13:00] Bruce Anthonoy: I had two instances where a friend told me about her going through something, right?

[00:13:09] J. Aundrea: Mm-hmm.

[00:13:09] Bruce Anthonoy: Two separate friends, both female, one friend said that very same thing like I was over this guy's house. I. He was kind of being aggressive, but not too aggressive. But my rationale was, I'm just gonna go ahead and do this because if I turn him down, what can happen?

[00:13:25] Bruce Anthonoy: Like things can get worse. And I never thought about that because I'm a relatively [00:13:30] big guy, six foot four at, at one time I was 280 pounds, like just muscled up. People thought I was on steroids

[00:13:37] J. Aundrea: Mm-hmm.

[00:13:38] Bruce Anthonoy: you know, women come over to my house and I'm never. Pushy, but then my presence in and of itself, I'm like, yo, did women just decide to just do it?

[00:13:48] Bruce Anthonoy: Because they might have feared my reaction, even though people know me. But no, I guess you don't know

[00:13:55] J. Aundrea: Yeah.

[00:13:56] Bruce Anthonoy: anybody,

[00:13:57] J. Aundrea: don't, uh, especially when the statistic [00:14:00] is that a majority of sexual assaults happen with somebody that you know.

[00:14:04] Bruce Anthonoy: right?

[00:14:05] J. Aundrea: Um, and, and you, you're probably like, yeah, it was two separate friends of two, but the fact is the number is one in three.

[00:14:14] Bruce Anthonoy: Mm. Yeah, and, and you know, I got a lot of female friends. The other friend told me a story of she had been talking to this guy. The guy came over, they were hanging out and they had sex, [00:14:30] but she said, I never told him. Yes. I was like, well did you tell him? No? She was like, I didn't say anything, but I didn't want to do that.

[00:14:40] Bruce Anthonoy: And to me I was so confused. 'cause I was like, all right, I understand you saying no,

[00:14:45] J. Aundrea: Mm-hmm.

[00:14:45] Bruce Anthonoy: you saying I don't wanna do this. You showing some form of rejection, but you didn't say anything. Like, how is he supposed to know that? You just not quiet.

[00:14:58] J. Aundrea: Right. So there, uh, uh, [00:15:00] people also always talk about fight or flight, but they forget there's a third one and it's freeze.

[00:15:05] Bruce Anthonoy: Mm.

[00:15:06] J. Aundrea: And so yeah, your body could end, uh, end up in fight or flight mode where you run away or you fight or you could just freeze up.

[00:15:15] Bruce Anthonoy: Mm.

[00:15:16] J. Aundrea: And then, and, and that, so it's, it's about obtaining that enthusiastic consent

[00:15:24] Bruce Anthonoy: Yeah.

[00:15:24] J. Aundrea: and enthusiastic consent Could be her actively participating in this [00:15:30] with you, just letting it happen,

[00:15:33] Bruce Anthonoy: Mm-hmm.

[00:15:34] J. Aundrea: but actively participating in it with you. if you are not sure. the Yes, get the verbal yes. And if, and if her body language is like, yeah, that's, yeah, okay. You know what? I'm not feeling like that's enthusiastic and so let's just not do this. It's okay, you know? Um, that's, you gotta obtain that. But I think there was a reckoning, [00:16:00] honestly, around that time, um, because I was in, what year was that?

[00:16:05] Bruce Anthonoy: 2003.

[00:16:06] J. Aundrea: Yeah, so I was in college and I remember being in, uh, a sociology class

[00:16:15] Bruce Anthonoy: Mm-hmm.

[00:16:16] J. Aundrea: our, um, no, it was women's psychology, I can't remember. But anyway, she was talking about enthusiastic consent and the number of guys in there, bordering on a hundred percent of them, um, who looked [00:16:30] so confused during that entire conversation and had so many questions.

[00:16:34] Bruce Anthonoy: Mm-hmm.

[00:16:35] J. Aundrea: Um, well, what if she doesn't say no? That doesn't mean she didn't, that doesn't mean she said yes.

[00:16:40] Bruce Anthonoy: And so that was the thing when my friend told me, I was like, but you didn't say no. And then at, this was in my thirties and I was still learning. Um, I, we didn't, we don't typically start to show off with a serious topic, but for me this was, I wanted to pour my soul out to the [00:17:00] audience. 'cause this is something that I, you know, I get up here and I preach about.

[00:17:05] Bruce Anthonoy: Evolving and growing as a person is something that I'm still aspiring to do and I wanna hold myself accountable. People should hold themselves accountable. And the only thing that I could think about as I was watching it was my biased of looking after for Kobe. I'm looking at the news coverage and I'm looking at at, at these women, at [00:17:30] these women.

[00:17:31] Bruce Anthonoy: Men attacking this 19-year-old woman. And then I'm thinking about, it's Kobe Bean Bryant.

[00:17:37] J. Aundrea: Yeah.

[00:17:38] Bruce Anthonoy: He is one of the biggest, most recognizable, well-known athletes of all time. And the world mourned him when he looked

[00:17:47] J. Aundrea: Yeah.

[00:17:47] Bruce Anthonoy: the world and the world mourned him when he died. And then I started thinking about her.

[00:17:52] J. Aundrea: Mm-hmm.

[00:17:53] Bruce Anthonoy: Because all that could be triggering to her to, to see this man reve. I mean, if she lives in Los [00:18:00] Angeles and she goes by the Staples Center, there's a statue of him,

[00:18:03] J. Aundrea: There's

[00:18:03] Bruce Anthonoy: right.

[00:18:04] J. Aundrea: everywhere.

[00:18:04] Bruce Anthonoy: Meryl's everywhere. Like she can't go in LA without being triggered. And, and that, it just, I was like, okay. Wow. Bruce, like you were thinking one thing.

[00:18:17] Bruce Anthonoy: And not, you always talk about looking at different angles, and at that time you didn't,

[00:18:21] J. Aundrea: Yeah.

[00:18:21] Bruce Anthonoy: and now your eyes is a little bit more open a little bit. Let's open 'em a little bit wider. And it's like, yo, [00:18:30] growth, let's, let's, let's really try to aspire to do this. You can still grow and question your thoughts. You don't have to feel guilty about the way you thought back in the day, but just realize that, hold yourself accountable and be like, look, I.

[00:18:46] Bruce Anthonoy: I was probably wrong. More than likely I was wrong. And now I have a different perspective and it's okay for me to have a different perspective because I don't care about being right. I care about being [00:19:00] correct.

[00:19:00] J. Aundrea: Yeah.

[00:19:01] Bruce Anthonoy: So, yeah, no, so I already hit y'all with some heaviness, but you know, we'll get to some jokes later on, but I look, this was something that,

[00:19:10] J. Aundrea: It was impactful for

[00:19:12] Bruce Anthonoy: yeah.

[00:19:13] J. Aundrea: I mean, you can't help, but you guys were, uh, pretty much the same age,

[00:19:19] Bruce Anthonoy: Yeah.

[00:19:20] J. Aundrea: both playing basketball and things like you can't help but. Put yourself in that position and be like, okay, now I need to [00:19:30] interrogate me.

[00:19:31] Bruce Anthonoy: Yeah. Guess that's really, what was I, it, it was a interrogation of myself. I mean, yes, this man was the next state over.

[00:19:39] J. Aundrea: Yeah,

[00:19:39] Bruce Anthonoy: Right. We're in Maryland. He's in Pennsylvania. He's the next state over. He's two years older than me. Like we all grew up together. I mean, not, you know, personally, I didn't personally know him, but like

[00:19:52] J. Aundrea: I mean it's the same. It is like, you know, I think I'm like six months older than LeBron James. Like it was like we

[00:19:58] Bruce Anthonoy: mm-hmm.

[00:19:59] J. Aundrea: was like [00:20:00] teenagers and young adults I just remember watching these guys and be like, what does it feel like being our age and being this wealthy and famous? That's gotta be jarring, to say the least. But yeah, I think you, you lose yourself, you lose perspective. And it's also, what do you, what do you know? You

[00:20:28] Bruce Anthonoy: Yeah.

[00:20:28] J. Aundrea: don't know what you don't know. [00:20:30] Again, I'm not giving him a pass. I think, um, I sincerely hope that that young lady has been able to, um, through it. that she got the help, um, that she deserved. I hope that she is, is able to, you know, continue on, um, with her life, um, in the best way possible. And I wish nothing but the best for her. But, [00:21:00] but yeah, you gotta think about, you don't know what you don't know.

[00:21:06] Bruce Anthonoy: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:21:07] J. Aundrea: And, and, and to me, that letter. Felt more like, okay, after going back and looking at my behavior and your response to my behavior, I don't know that I was in the right in this situation.

[00:21:21] J. Aundrea: And I'm sorry. You know, I, I, you know, and looking at intent was not to do that, but the impact was [00:21:30] nevertheless. Um, yeah. So, yeah, I think it's, it's interesting and I also think that it's important to, uh. always kind of check yourself, in, in how you relate to other people

[00:21:46] Bruce Anthonoy: Look, you better check yourself before you wreck yourself.

[00:21:48] J. Aundrea: you wreck yourself.  

[00:21:57] Bruce Anthonoy: Okay, Jay, I don't know if the manosphere is [00:22:00] going to attack us. They might attack us for that first segment with Kobe or just Kobe fans in general. Might, uh, might attack us. Uh, the manosphere might attack us again 'cause we're gonna be talking about masculinity. And the reason why we're talking about masculinity is because Anthony Mackey, black Captain America, that's, that's what I call them, black Captain America

[00:22:18] J. Aundrea: them.

[00:22:18] Bruce Anthonoy: or Blackton.

[00:22:20] J. Aundrea: No,

[00:22:21] Bruce Anthonoy: No.

[00:22:21] J. Aundrea: we could stick with Black Captain America.

[00:22:24] Bruce Anthonoy: Okay, black Captain America,

[00:22:25] Anthony Mackie’s Take on Masculinity: Protector or Problematic? 🛡️🤔

[00:22:25] Bruce Anthonoy: Anthony Mackey was on the Pivot. I enjoy the Pivot podcast 'cause [00:22:30] I'm a huge fan of, um, slips. My name Ryan Clark. I don't, I was like, I'm gonna be a huge fan. Ryan Clark. I'm a huge fan of Ryan Clark, uh, just as a person and how thoughtful and outspoken about causes and the way he's not one of those people that's on podcasts is that, uh, doesn't speak about things.

[00:22:52] Bruce Anthonoy: Uh, unintelligently. He speaks about things very intelligently and, and I admire that. But Anthony Mackey was on his podcast [00:23:00] and a subject of masculinity and parenting came up. So Anthony Mackey was on the Pivot Podcast and uh, it had some interesting things interest.

[00:23:11] J. Aundrea: Mm. It did take pretty deep paper. If, if nobody knows what that is, it's, you probably hear us say that a lot. It was Eddie Murphy pretending to be, oh God, it's a NFL player. I can't remember doing a. Campbell's [00:23:30] commercial, like a Campbell Soup commercial. I don't know. Just, just Google. Eddie Murphy.

[00:23:34] J. Aundrea: Campbell's soup commercial.

[00:23:36] Bruce Anthonoy: Yeah, it's funny, but he messed up in his line and, and, okay. So Anthony Mackey had some interesting thoughts on masculinity and parenthood. He Argos, the traditional American masculinity centered on men as protectors and providers has declined over 20 years leading to the death of the American Mayor who attributes this to boys learning failure, which stifles their willingness to take risks or [00:24:00] pursue growth.

[00:24:01] Bruce Anthonoy: He said he's raising his sons and instilling traditional values in his four sons respect, opening doors for women responsibility, caring for their mother, their mother, humility, staying grounded despite his fame. And pri and pri pri. Mm, I'm really struggling today. You the one throwing up, but I'm the one struggling and prioritize and teaching them to protect their family.

[00:24:23] Bruce Anthonoy: Framing this as the core masculine duty. Uh, it's been some interesting takes on his. [00:24:30] Idea of what masculinity is. Uh, some people have said it is toxic masculinity and patriarchy at its highest. Other people were saying like, no, this sounds about right. I have mixed emotions about it, but I'm interested to hear what you think about his comments.

[00:24:48] J. Aundrea: Yeah, so I watched it. Um, you know, I don't think he is. Wrong. I think there is masculinity and femininity are things like they are [00:25:00] things. Um, and the, the problem is they're not things exclusive to men and women. Right? Men can be in their femininity, women can be in their masculinity. Like it's about healthy masculinity, healthy femininity, right? Um. So to me, only, thing I kind of like bucked at a little bit was the [00:25:30] making, making his 15-year-old when he's not there. The man of the house. Like that's, he's 15. Like that's, you can't put on him the responsibility of taking care of, he has a full parent there. Um, I feel like that was a little much, but instilling respect and, and humility.

[00:25:52] J. Aundrea: Um, humility is not masculine.

[00:25:58] Bruce Anthonoy: Right there. Yeah.

[00:25:59] J. Aundrea: is not, [00:26:00] you know, I don't, I didn't hear him say anything, you know, aside. From that he, his 15-year-old stands guard, you know, when he's not there. Um, but he didn't really say anything to me that felt toxic. Uh, it definitely, he was definitely subscribing to gender roles.

[00:26:28] J. Aundrea: I don't understand what he [00:26:30] meant Seeing a decline in masculinity or the death of the American male. I think what we're seeing is a move away from toxic masculinity to a healthier form of masculinity that's healthier for men and women, I think he's conflating traditional. The, this idea of that masculinity, this traditional masculinity with some aspects [00:27:00] that are actually quite toxic, and was a masculinity, uh, that, that, that we had traditionally or in the past, before we knew better.

[00:27:14] Bruce Anthonoy: Yeah, so I sent you a clip and there's more to the full interview. He, he said things like, men have developed these European attitudes of wearing tight pants. So there was some problematic statements that he, that he was making and, and, and I [00:27:30] have no problem with raising your sons to, uh, want to be providers and protectors.

[00:27:37] Bruce Anthonoy: I, I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I think where it. Where it becomes a problem is when you, when you become so much entrenched on being a provider and a protector, that you hamstring your woman in a heterosexual relationship, your partner by saying, this is what I do. You do this, [00:28:00] right?

[00:28:00] Bruce Anthonoy: Like she may, she may make more money than you. Guess what? Women make more are making more money than men right now. Well, not for the same jobs, but just in general, right? Uh, women can fight. I've dated, uh, more than a few women. That one was a semi-pro, uh, Muay Thai fighter and another one I was, she did boxing and stuff and we was, you know, play boxing.

[00:28:22] Bruce Anthonoy: And I was like, oh, you got hands, you might. Be able to, man, she couldn't beat me, but I mean, she might, she

[00:28:28] J. Aundrea: She

[00:28:28] Bruce Anthonoy: it'd be a fight.

[00:28:29] J. Aundrea: was [00:28:30] gonna be a fight.

[00:28:30] Bruce Anthonoy: Yeah, it was gonna be a fight. So this, I mean these ideas and, and that's what I have a problem with also. I look at some of his statements and he is like, I'm going be raise men. And I say, well, you got four sons.

[00:28:45] Bruce Anthonoy: What are you gonna do if one of 'em is gay?

[00:28:46] J. Aundrea: Right.

[00:28:47] Bruce Anthonoy: Because the way he's subscribing to masculinity. Obviously being gay wouldn't be applied to his definition of masculinity, so that's where things can get a little toxic. But [00:29:00] teaching men to open the doors for women paying for the first date, these are the traditions that I subscribe to.

[00:29:08] Bruce Anthonoy: And some of these young men out here are like, what you talking about? Some of these young men? I see way more videos than I need to see of men fighting women.

[00:29:18] J. Aundrea: Yeah.

[00:29:19] Bruce Anthonoy: Now if she coming at you and she could fight and you defending yourself. Okay. But I see way too many times with dudes raising their hands up at women who are, [00:29:30] that are just mouth mouthy, you know, mouthy.

[00:29:33] Bruce Anthonoy: Hmm, mouthy that, that's the wrong word, that I didn't want to use that word. I'm gonna take that word back.

[00:29:38] J. Aundrea: Okay. These women out here getting mouthy.

[00:29:42] Bruce Anthonoy: Yeah. No, wait a minute. I, I, ladies, gentlemen, I'm taking that back. Am I gonna cut it from the episode? No, because I'm, because I said it, it was not real. It was, it was a misspeak and I've been doing that a lot this episode. Okay. 'cause I'm struggling 'cause I drank a lot last night. But, but [00:30:00] women are, you know, being verbally combative, that doesn't mean that you have the right to put your hands on any.

[00:30:06] J. Aundrea: instinct should not be to square up

[00:30:09] Bruce Anthonoy: Right. And dudes is out here squaring up on women and, and, and so I don't call it a lack of masculinity, even though that could be said, I call it men out here being punks, some punk a bs. That's, that's, that's what I'm looking at. So from that argument, I kind of agree with them. We need to be raising [00:30:30] men from that standpoint, but not this idea of.

[00:30:34] Bruce Anthonoy: Basically gender roles, these stagnant gender roles, that this is what men do because also what he's subscribing to is not talking, and I'm sorry, that's the hallmark of men having pent up rage and anger that's going to come out somehow. You gotta talk about your emotions.

[00:30:54] J. Aundrea: Yeah.

[00:30:54] Bruce Anthonoy: Talking about your emotions is not a lack of masculinity.

[00:30:58] Bruce Anthonoy: Personally, I believe. [00:31:00] You are leaning into masculinity because you're being stronger by being vulnerable. That's, that's what I believe. And anybody who doesn't agree with it, Hey, we can take you to the street. I ain't got no problem with that. I, I've been willing to catch fades right and left all my life.

[00:31:14] Bruce Anthonoy: Uh, so that's just what I believe. But yeah, so he had some toxic things that he kind of said, but more importantly, what I took away from it is let your kid be a kid.

[00:31:26] J. Aundrea: Let your kid be a kid.

[00:31:28] Bruce Anthonoy: It wasn't just that he's got to [00:31:30] be the man in the house. It was his oldest said, Hey, don't mess up. And now he spreads it on down the line.

[00:31:35] Bruce Anthonoy: No, don't make him a third parent.

[00:31:37] J. Aundrea: that, that also made me cringe a little bit because he didn't say, don't mess up. His son is telling his siblings, Hey, don't make dad mad,

[00:31:50] Bruce Anthonoy: Yeah, you're right. You're right. I.

[00:31:53] J. Aundrea: that means your children are afraid of you.

[00:31:56] Bruce Anthonoy: Yeah, because that's what I used to say to y'all. Hey, hey, hey.

[00:31:59] J. Aundrea: you. [00:32:00] They don't respect you. They're afraid of you

[00:32:03] Bruce Anthonoy: You can have both respect and fear.

[00:32:05] J. Aundrea: well, no, because kids, it takes a while to develop more complex emotions.

[00:32:13] J. Aundrea: If anybody has seen inside out, you know, kids, kids start with joy, sadness, anger, fear. They don't understand more complex emotions like reverence or respect or [00:32:30] things like that. So, yeah, so, so to a certain extent, when they're young, they should fear the repercussions of their actions, but they shouldn't.

[00:32:42] J. Aundrea: At 15, still be afraid of you. They should be, they should respect you as their parent. shouldn't be like, Hey, don't make dad mad. It wasn't, Hey, your actions are not, um, you know, you're not, [00:33:00] they're, they're not exemplary right now. Like, right, like your, your actions are gonna lead to some tough consequences.

[00:33:06] J. Aundrea: That wasn't what he said. What he said was, don't make Dad mad.

[00:33:09] Bruce Anthonoy: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:33:11] J. Aundrea: So it's less about the consequences of their actions and more about not the consequence of making you mad. And so are you really teaching them to be good people? Are you teaching them just to fear your response to their actions?

[00:33:27] Bruce Anthonoy: Or fall in line. And I think [00:33:30] that, I think that that's a, you know, both of us up here talking about parenting when we're not parents, but, but

[00:33:36] J. Aundrea: But we're somebody's kids. And

[00:33:38] Bruce Anthonoy: Right.

[00:33:38] J. Aundrea: tell you from that perspective, that's what I always say. I'm not a parent, but I'm somebody's child. So that I can always tell you from the perspective of being someone's child, what I'm hearing from your kid.

[00:33:53] Bruce Anthonoy: Right. And so, because a lot of times parents don't really talk to their kids.

[00:33:57] J. Aundrea: Right?

[00:33:57] Bruce Anthonoy: Right. And

[00:33:59] J. Aundrea: [00:34:00] he does not.

[00:34:01] Bruce Anthonoy: Well, I, I.

[00:34:04] J. Aundrea: Or the things that he says is not, I mean, I didn't see any of the clips where he talks about emotional suppress, uh, suppression, conflating masculinity with emotional sur. I didn't see those clips.

[00:34:19] Bruce Anthonoy: Well, I, I don't think he directly says that.

[00:34:21] Rewriting the Rulebook: The Evolution of Manhood ✍️🔄

[00:34:21] Bruce Anthonoy: That's what I'm gathering from what he's saying because, because his prism of what men are, he's very much my generation, we grew up in the [00:34:30] nineties. So he's very, he's very much my generation and he is from the south, right? So he's very much, this is what a man is, this is what a man's supposed to be.

[00:34:39] Bruce Anthonoy: And I think the evolution of men has changed. And a lot of men who wanna hold onto those traditional forms of what masculinity is, are fighting that. And that's the reason why you had this backlash of men, men out here really complaining. Really complaining. [00:35:00] Right. And, and, and this one of his statements, one of his quotes was, is that you can't even talk to women anymore.

[00:35:06] Bruce Anthonoy: Like, you know, they're so mad. They're so angry. Yeah.

[00:35:09] Women in the Household: Breaking Down Gender Roles 👩‍👧‍👦⚖️

[00:35:09] Bruce Anthonoy: Because part of your traditional masculinity has been suppressing women. Women didn't have, women couldn't get bank accounts and credit cards. Until 1972. Now for our Gen Z people out there, they're like the 19 hundreds. That was so long ago. Not really.

[00:35:24] Bruce Anthonoy: That's your mom.

[00:35:25] J. Aundrea: Yeah.

[00:35:26] Bruce Anthonoy: That's your mom. You know? Or if, if it's not your [00:35:30] mom, that's your grandma. It's an auntie. It, it is one generation behind you. That's how it wasn't that long ago,

[00:35:36] Parenting 101: Are We Raising Kids or Mini-Adults? 👶🧑‍💼

[00:35:36] J. Aundrea: And what you're telling their other fully capable parent is, I trust a 15-year-old

[00:35:44] Bruce Anthonoy: right?

[00:35:45] J. Aundrea: this house more than I trust their very capable parent.

[00:35:49] Bruce Anthonoy: Yeah, because like, okay, he made a point of saying, Hey look, somebody's gotta protect that house because nobody cares about your family, your money. If somebody wanna run up in your crib, and I [00:36:00] get it,

[00:36:00] J. Aundrea: Yes.

[00:36:01] Bruce Anthonoy: I get it. And there's nothing wrong by saying, Hey man, just make sure certain things in the house is secure.

[00:36:05] Bruce Anthonoy: You know, just like, Hey, take out the trash. Make sure when you come back in, lock the door and make sure you know that. But also you have a partner. If you really want to self-defense classes, gun training, like it doesn't have to be put on your 15-year-old son because at one point he wasn't 15. At one point he was 8, 9, 10.

[00:36:26] Bruce Anthonoy: You, you were going to do acting. You've been doing acting. We first [00:36:30] recognized you in Green Mile when you was Papa Doc.

[00:36:32] J. Aundrea: Mm-hmm.

[00:36:33] Bruce Anthonoy: And then the horrible betrayal of Tupac and Notorious, but that's okay. 'cause you black Captain America now, but you've been acting for over 20 years before you had his son. So there was a time where he was a little guy, he couldn't be the man in the house.

[00:36:47] Bruce Anthonoy: So why can't the woman be the protector of the home?

[00:36:50] J. Aundrea: she has been like, let's be honest,

[00:36:52] Bruce Anthonoy: Yes.

[00:36:53] J. Aundrea: time you leave, the person in charge is their mother

[00:36:57] Bruce Anthonoy: Mm-hmm.

[00:36:58] J. Aundrea: and she has been taking [00:37:00] care of that. Yeah. If, if he, if you wanna give your child some responsibilities around the house, like, Hey, it's your job to make sure the door's locked. that's

[00:37:09] Bruce Anthonoy: that's cool.

[00:37:10] J. Aundrea: but also recognize there is a perfectly capable adult in that house that does not need protecting from her child.

[00:37:20] "I’ll Protect You": Personal Stories of Responsibility 🛡️👨‍👩‍👧‍👦

[00:37:20] Bruce Anthonoy: But, but the child was automatically going to, like, I remember when dad would go on trips and I was the only person in the house. I took that responsibility. I [00:37:30] also realized how much I leaned on dead as the protector even, even when I got to miniature adulthood. What I mean by miniature adulthood is like I could vote.

[00:37:42] Bruce Anthonoy: I remember us all being in Jamaica. I.

[00:37:44] J. Aundrea: Mm-hmm.

[00:37:45] Bruce Anthonoy: I had not a care worry in the world 'cause dad was there and there. The age difference between dad and I, you know, seemed vast when I was younger, but if I'm 21, he's 42, 43, he's younger than I am right now. [00:38:00] So I, and, and still strong and like, I still feel like I could go out there in the streets and handle my business.

[00:38:05] Bruce Anthonoy: So of course I'm gonna look at our father. And be like, yes, he definitely can. So I relaxed. It wasn't until I went to the Caribbean with my ex-wife for the first time and I had this tension and I was on guard and I had her close to me. This just, just making sure that she's safe. And I, and I called him up at the trip and I said, dad, I don't understand like why I was so tense during this [00:38:30] trip.

[00:38:30] Bruce Anthonoy: I was never like that. When, uh, when we did the family trip, it's like, 'cause I was there.

[00:38:34] J. Aundrea: Yeah.

[00:38:34] Bruce Anthonoy: didn't have to worry about anything 'cause you knew that I was gonna take care of everything and I was like, oh wow. Is that what it feels like? Yep. Just imagine.

[00:38:42] J. Aundrea: Yeah.

[00:38:42] Bruce Anthonoy: Just imagine having three kids and a wife and you gotta do all that type of stuff.

[00:38:46] J. Aundrea: gotta

[00:38:46] Bruce Anthonoy: was like,

[00:38:47] J. Aundrea: all of these kids walk off. They go,

[00:38:50] Bruce Anthonoy: right.

[00:38:51] J. Aundrea: go and, you know, sometimes mom being la la land, you gotta watch out for her. Like, you know, I, I had to make that call [00:39:00] one time because, uh, mom and I went to the beach. And just taking the cooler blankets, chairs, umbrella from the boardwalk to the actual beach, the sand.

[00:39:12] J. Aundrea: I was like, I'm gonna die. And I was like, dad, Desmond carrying all this stuff. No wonder he got the big piece of chicken.

[00:39:20] Bruce Anthonoy: Yeah. No one he gotta make

[00:39:21] J. Aundrea: he got the big piece of chicken. had to call him up. I was like, Hey, you.

[00:39:26] Bruce Anthonoy: right

[00:39:27] J. Aundrea: 'cause we would just run to the ocean, run [00:39:30] to like, it

[00:39:30] Bruce Anthonoy: without a care in the world.

[00:39:32] J. Aundrea: lugging all of this stuff behind us and setting it up and doing

[00:39:35] Bruce Anthonoy: Sweating,

[00:39:37] J. Aundrea: It's hot. You know, like I had to be like, Hey, thank you. You

[00:39:42] Bruce Anthonoy: right?

[00:39:43] J. Aundrea: yeah, but it's the truth. But that's, that's his role. That's Anthony's role.

[00:39:47] Bruce Anthonoy: Yes.

[00:39:48] J. Aundrea: role.

[00:39:49] Bruce Anthonoy: No it isn't. But this is what I will say. If he's raising his sons. To have traditional values that I do [00:40:00] believe in. And being a protector, I'm out with my bestie. We're walking around in the city, we're about to go down a block and I see a crowd of people and I'm like, you're wearing that outfit. It's not scandalous, but she's an attractive woman.

[00:40:13] Bruce Anthonoy: You're wearing that outfit and I see a gang of dudes down there. No, we're gonna go down the next block. And she was like, I walk down this block all the time. I was like, that's cool. Great. But if somebody does something to you. I'm going to flip.

[00:40:28] J. Aundrea: Yeah.

[00:40:28] Bruce Anthonoy: I could die. [00:40:30] Like I, I could be shot or stabbed and let's, let's go down the next block and avoid this scenario because I'm going to give my life to make sure that you are okay.

[00:40:40] Bruce Anthonoy: Me and you out. We walk around in Atlanta. I'm going to give my life to make sure that you are okay,

[00:40:47] J. Aundrea: Yes, but also recognize I also care about my safety.

[00:40:51] Bruce Anthonoy: right? Yes.

[00:40:53] J. Aundrea: Okay,

[00:40:54] Bruce Anthonoy: you don't know how to fight.

[00:40:55] J. Aundrea: I, I know how to fight enough to get the hell away. Okay. So it's [00:41:00] like I also care about my safety. I am also hypervigilant as a woman, about my surroundings. Um, that's kind of just, you learn

[00:41:12] Bruce Anthonoy: Yeah.

[00:41:12] J. Aundrea: be like that. And what happens is you are undercutting mother by making

[00:41:22] Bruce Anthonoy: You talking about Anthony Mackey?

[00:41:23] J. Aundrea: by

[00:41:23] Bruce Anthonoy: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:41:24] J. Aundrea: them feel like. have to protect the house. I have to protect my mom and have to protect. No, [00:41:30] she, you're undercutting her position as their parent.

[00:41:34] Bruce Anthonoy: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:41:35] J. Aundrea: She's

[00:41:35] Bruce Anthonoy: Yeah.

[00:41:36] J. Aundrea: that just lives in the house and cooks the meals and things like that. She is also equally their parent and responsible for their safety and wellbeing. Don't undercut that. Trying to teach your sons a lesson. If you wanna teach them a lesson, use somebody else. Don't use her. Her

[00:41:54] Bruce Anthonoy: Yeah.

[00:41:55] J. Aundrea: use her as an example. You set the example by how you treat her [00:42:00] with respect with kindness and compassion, and then they're watching you and they learn from that example. And it's less about don't make dad mad, and more about you weren't acting right. That's not how you should treat a woman.

[00:42:19] Bruce Anthonoy: Yeah, so like the takeaways I got from this is, parenting is hard. I think it's,

[00:42:25] J. Aundrea: because it's,

[00:42:26] Bruce Anthonoy: think it's literally the hardest job.

[00:42:27] J. Aundrea: it literally is, you are trying [00:42:30] to make a human being into a functional, relatively happy if you can. I mean, that's just a plus adult like. You have to teach that they come out knowing nothing and they can't do Jack and you have to teach them how to be people. It's a lot. 'cause it's a fine line of like, am I doing the right thing?

[00:42:53] J. Aundrea: Am I not doing the right thing? So I don't have, no, I'm not gonna judge who's parenting. He's gotta raise four boy, [00:43:00] four black boys in America.

[00:43:02] Bruce Anthonoy: And that's, I think they're living in the south. I think they're living in the south.

[00:43:05] J. Aundrea: lives in Louisiana.

[00:43:07] Bruce Anthonoy: Yeah. From Baton Rouge. I, I, if I remember correctly, he's originally from Baton Rouge.

[00:43:11] J. Aundrea: Yeah. Um, so I can't even, you know, I don't like, I think what bothers people is the little implication of I'm raising men. I.

[00:43:25] Bruce Anthonoy: Yeah,

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[00:43:25] J. Aundrea: They don't wear these tight pants. Well, that's just, you don't understand history because [00:43:30] men started out wearing wigs, pantaloons, and high heels. So

[00:43:33] Bruce Anthonoy: well, he.

[00:43:34] J. Aundrea: don't go to Africa 'cause you,

[00:43:37] Bruce Anthonoy: he said, he said that in the interview, like he went to Africa and they were like, you're not from here. You don't belong here. He was like, yeah, because that's, they were wearing tight clothing and what I'll say to this is, the brother only gotta ghost one decade. Before we were born in the seventies.

[00:43:53] Bruce Anthonoy: It was some tight clothes, some tight men were wearing tight bell bottom. There wasn't baggy bell bottoms. We went crazy [00:44:00] with it in the nineties, wearing 50, uh, in scene, uh, jeans.

[00:44:05] J. Aundrea: But

[00:44:06] Bruce Anthonoy: Like that was ridiculous.

[00:44:07] J. Aundrea: and you just happened to grow up in that fashion era, but there, that doesn't mean throughout the seventies and eighties, dudes wasn't wearing crop tops because they absolutely were

[00:44:16] Bruce Anthonoy: Mm-hmm. Yes, they absolutely, they absolutely were.

[00:44:20] J. Aundrea: You know, and it was masculine to show off your abs in a crop top. You

[00:44:25] Bruce Anthonoy: And what's masculine, right? If, if your I what if your idea of a [00:44:30] man is? Well, he get a lot of women, well, you know, who's somebody who got a lot of women?

[00:44:34] J. Aundrea: pimps?

[00:44:35] Bruce Anthonoy: Well, I mean, yeah, I mean pimps. And they actually, they don't have very masculine uh, characteristics. They have very feminine characteristics. But I was specifically going to bring up Prince,

[00:44:45] J. Aundrea: Yeah.

[00:44:45] Bruce Anthonoy: 'cause Prince

[00:44:46] J. Aundrea: Had

[00:44:47] Bruce Anthonoy: had all of them, every single last one of 'em.

[00:44:51] J. Aundrea: single last one, it was five foot two in tight pants, heels with the butt cut out, and a little, uh, he had a, [00:45:00] like a waist chain and a crop top, his hair was curled like, and this

[00:45:06] Bruce Anthonoy: So what's.

[00:45:07] J. Aundrea: killing it in the eighties.

[00:45:09] Bruce Anthonoy: What's your idea of a man? Because a part of masculinity, this, this traditional form of masculinity that Anthony Mackey is, is, is talking about is, well, you got a lot of women, you know, he's a ladies man. Well, all the ladies, men that we've ever really, really know aren't extremely, extremely masculine.[00:45:30]

[00:45:30] Bruce Anthonoy: Like then not everybody's out here is an old school shaft.

[00:45:33] J. Aundrea: Hey.

[00:45:34] Bruce Anthonoy: people is out here like, uh, the Mac.

[00:45:36] J. Aundrea: Yeah.

[00:45:38] Bruce Anthonoy: Fingernails. Andes done.

[00:45:40] J. Aundrea: I, I think, uh, for example, Mike Tyson, probably as masculine as you can get. I wouldn't call him a ladies man.

[00:45:48] Bruce Anthonoy: No. No. Well, no. No, he's not. He definitely not

[00:45:51] J. Aundrea: know what I'm saying?

[00:45:52] Bruce Anthonoy: bad women though.

[00:45:53] J. Aundrea: have

[00:45:53] Bruce Anthonoy: bad

[00:45:54] J. Aundrea: But if I think of ladies, man, it's like you said Prince.

[00:45:58] Bruce Anthonoy: Prince.

[00:45:59] J. Aundrea: always [00:46:00] surrounded by the, by the ladies always.

[00:46:03] Bruce Anthonoy: yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Me. It put me in that category. Uh,

[00:46:08] J. Aundrea: the had all.

[00:46:09] Bruce Anthonoy: yeah. I, I put myself in all that category the same as Prince of Rick James. Just being a ES man.

[00:46:18] Bruce Anthonoy: Alright, ladies, gentlemen, that's enough of this. Talk about masculinity and treating women, right? What about, uh, treating Americans right? By not cutting off our [00:46:30] porn, we can get into that next.  

[00:46:39] Bruce Anthonoy: All right, Jay, so I brought up porn.

[00:46:44] J. Aundrea: You did? Yeah.

[00:46:46] Bruce Anthonoy: I brought up porn and uh, uh, there was an interesting thing. It went viral. This guy from Canada,

[00:46:53] J. Aundrea: Mm-hmm.

[00:46:53] Bruce Anthonoy: uh, made up the suggestion. His name is Matthew Pul Pulitz. [00:47:00] That that's as close as y'all gonna get for that last name. But he had an IG post that went viral that was just like, Hey, since us wants to do this trade war.

[00:47:09] J. Aundrea: Mm-hmm.

[00:47:11] Trade Wars Gone Wild: Could Canada Cut Off Our Porn? 🚫🍑

[00:47:11] Bruce Anthonoy: Porn hub porn. It's a Canadian company,

[00:47:13] J. Aundrea: Oh boy.

[00:47:15] Bruce Anthonoy: and it's the, the biggest, it's one of the biggest porn sites that they have worldwide, and we represent the Americans. The United States represent 40% of the traffic that's on this Canadian company. So if [00:47:30] Canada really wanted to get, you know, petty,

[00:47:33] J. Aundrea: Yeah.

[00:47:34] Bruce Anthonoy: they could, they could, they could be like, you know what, forget the lumber.

[00:47:38] Bruce Anthonoy: Forget the car parts.

[00:47:39] J. Aundrea: Yeah.

[00:47:40] Bruce Anthonoy: We gonna cut off your porn.

[00:47:42] J. Aundrea: Or, or charge you like exponentially for it. Like something like that. Like of course they don't wanna lose 40% of their web traffic, but we gotta hit 'em where it hurts some somewhere. You know, in the US the way to hit 'em where it hurts is they wallet, [00:48:00] so,

[00:48:00] Bruce Anthonoy: Right. The wallets in their loins.

[00:48:02] J. Aundrea: right. So if you could kill two birds with one stone.

[00:48:07] Bruce Anthonoy: Yeah. I mean, look, I, I, I think, I think, well, here's the crazy thing. When it comes to pornography here in the United States, in the state of Virginia, it's not banned. Certain porn way. States are not banned, but there is an age restriction.

[00:48:24] J. Aundrea: Yeah, there

[00:48:24] Bruce Anthonoy: so you have to.

[00:48:25] J. Aundrea: should be, yeah.

[00:48:26] Bruce Anthonoy: And you know what? I'm not opposed to that. At first, uh, I [00:48:30] heard about it and I was like, what?

[00:48:31] Bruce Anthonoy: They banned it and then I did a little bit more research and I was like, oh, they didn't ban it. What they did is they make you verify your actual age. Uh, before that you could get on the porn sites, and, and I've long been an advocate of making sure the youth don't really get exposed to that.

[00:48:48] J. Aundrea: Yeah.

[00:48:49] Bruce Anthonoy: because it could decent time.

[00:48:50] Bruce Anthonoy: It, it creates a whole list of problems.

[00:48:53] J. Aundrea: Yeah.

[00:48:54] Bruce Anthonoy: Shay, uh, the porn expert, porn addiction expert that I [00:49:00] did an interview with him a couple years ago,

[00:49:01] J. Aundrea: Yeah, yeah,

[00:49:02] Bruce Anthonoy: about the,

[00:49:02] J. Aundrea: that.

[00:49:02] Bruce Anthonoy: yeah, talked about the after effects, uh, of that for young people.

[00:49:06] J. Aundrea: Yeah,

[00:49:06] Tariffs and Consequences: Why Trade Wars Hurt Everyone 💸🌍

[00:49:06] Bruce Anthonoy: But, you know, I just thought it was really, really interesting because this trade war is getting ridiculous, you know?

[00:49:14] J. Aundrea: so petty and it's so dumb. And these are our allies. And what are you doing?

[00:49:19] Bruce Anthonoy: I mean, you know, take away the porn. I could care less. I'm not really affected by taking away the porn

[00:49:25] J. Aundrea: Right.

[00:49:25] Bruce Anthonoy: that is. I just think that's funny

[00:49:27] J. Aundrea: Yeah.

[00:49:28] Bruce Anthonoy: I am affected. It's [00:49:30] taken away my champagne. Now the only thing that anything that's American or anything other than where it's made in France

[00:49:38] J. Aundrea: Yeah,

[00:49:38] Bruce Anthonoy: sparkling wine.

[00:49:40] Bruce Anthonoy: Champagne is only from France, kind of like bourbon is only from Kentucky

[00:49:44] J. Aundrea: yeah. Yeah.

[00:49:45] Bruce Anthonoy: and, and the French is just like, oh, okay. This is what you want to do with these trade wards with us. Show you ride. We going go ahead and, and, and y'all not gonna be able to get champagne and, and find wines. And then Trump was like, we got great American wines.

[00:49:58] Bruce Anthonoy: No, the hell we [00:50:00] don't. That farm is not as good.

[00:50:05] J. Aundrea: Look. Look, Napa Valley is is a lot of fun. You can love going through wine country. You have a good time getting drunk with your friends. But let me tell you, some of the best wines and champagnes are from Europe. Like they're just from France in Italy. Like, I'm sorry guys.

[00:50:23] Bruce Anthonoy: Yeah. And I mean, I'm like, look, okay. Trump did something that was really, it was childish. [00:50:30] Friends imposed tur uh, tariffs on us. And they're like, over in Europe now, you hear all these stories of them just being like, they're taking American products off the shelves. It's not just Canada, it's in Europe as well, and other countries.

[00:50:48] Bruce Anthonoy: All of our allies is just like, we ain't gonna use American products. So then Trump responds. He says, I'll put a 200% tariff on you guys. And I'm just like, yeah, wow. That is so [00:51:00] childish.

[00:51:00] J. Aundrea: Mm-hmm.

[00:51:01] Bruce Anthonoy: So childish, but we know if they, they take away porn, Trump will be affected by that too, since he likes porn stars and all that stuff.

[00:51:08] J. Aundrea: it.

[00:51:09] Bruce Anthonoy: Mm-hmm.

[00:51:09] J. Aundrea: it. Um, I'm sure he spends a lot of time on PornHub. Um, Melania is not touching him, so I'm sure he spends a lot of time on there.

[00:51:18] Bruce Anthonoy: Melania might be on porn hub, you know, she has some, she has some naked stuff.

[00:51:22] J. Aundrea: huh?

[00:51:23] Bruce Anthonoy: She has some naked stuff from back in the day.

[00:51:24] J. Aundrea: She might be on the, I dunno, don't know. Uh, and I'm not gonna look, [00:51:30] uh, who last thing I want is to accidentally see some Trump stuff and there was a, someone said that live, it was Michael Ch and he said, he was like, you know, because the problem is not seeing it.

[00:51:44] J. Aundrea: He was like, what if it's good? You know, you know, you don't wanna, you don't want that. You don't want that. No. They're getting, um, um, incredibly ridiculous and increasingly ridiculous. [00:52:00] And then also he's not a good businessman and he thinks that he's strong arming people. But it's like, I, this is not a good analogy, but it's like, you know, picking a fight with a. with your homie, basically. I mean, it's almost like picking a fight with a, not a defenseless person, but it's like a person you know, or you think is not gonna fight back. Like he thought Canada [00:52:30] wasn't gonna fight back. He thought France wasn't gonna fight back, or Mexico wasn't gonna fight back. And I'm like, no, you are wrong.

[00:52:38] J. Aundrea: And not only are you wrong, but. They can really, really, really hurt the American people,

[00:52:46] Bruce Anthonoy: Mm-hmm.

[00:52:47] J. Aundrea: um, and industry in this country. So, but does he care about that? Absolutely not, because this is, again, the same man who wouldn't pay his contractors who are building [00:53:00] his stuff. His towers, his casinos, his, he didn't, he didn't pay that.

[00:53:05] J. Aundrea: He just filed for bankruptcy over and over again. So he doesn't care. He doesn't care about the labor industry, and he doesn't care about laborers. Why would you think a bi, why would you think a billionaire would?

[00:53:14] Bruce Anthonoy: Well, I think this is where he's getting this from, right? Like he was like, well, I use a strong arm contractors all the time. These countries aren't as big as the United States. It's the same thing. Nope, it is not the same thing. And I picking on somebody smaller than you. I did it one time in my [00:53:30] life. His name was Twine.

[00:53:32] Bruce Anthonoy: We, it was.

[00:53:33] J. Aundrea: first of all, before you even start the story, ladies, gentlemen, I have never heard it, but I could tell you right now, WAN or anybody named Twan, first of all, if it's Antoine and they chose to go by Twan, that is a person you are not supposed to mess with. But go ahead and continue the story because

[00:53:56] Bruce Anthonoy: Seventh grade gym class, we are outside playing football. [00:54:00] And me and him arguing about a call, right? And, and I stepped to him. Because I'm not thinking that he gonna do anything right. And I'm not trying to punk him. We just getting into it back and forth, and that's the next part of the escalation. Like, okay, we was jawing, now let's get in each other's face to see what's gonna go down.

[00:54:20] J. Aundrea: Right.

[00:54:21] Bruce Anthonoy: So I get in twin's face, and mind you, I'm like almost six foot as a 12-year-old, right? Twine is short for middle [00:54:30] school, so I'm gonna say Twan is probably like 4 11, 5 foot. So I almost got him by a good foot. Okay?

[00:54:36] J. Aundrea: yeah,

[00:54:37] Bruce Anthonoy: I'm towering over him. His head is in the small part of my chest,

[00:54:42] J. Aundrea: yeah,

[00:54:43] Bruce Anthonoy: Not even the top part, the small, about the small part of my chest.

[00:54:46] J. Aundrea: yeah.

[00:54:46] Bruce Anthonoy: And, and so we not nose the nose and I said, what you going to do? Without hesitation and caught me completely by surprise. Twan jumped up,

[00:54:57] J. Aundrea: Yeah.

[00:54:58] Bruce Anthonoy: me in my face like Little Mack [00:55:00] from Mike Tyson's punch out and I was so stunned. Next thing I know, he is on top of me and everybody in Gyp class is crowding around like Twan is beating Bruce's butt

[00:55:11] J. Aundrea: Yeah.

[00:55:12] Bruce Anthonoy: and, and I was hot 'cause I finally got out of him being pining me down and I'm ready to go because I was like, you snuck me.

[00:55:20] Bruce Anthonoy: Now let's go head to head. And he ain't wanna fight me no more 'cause he already wanted to fight after they broke it up. So Wan Wan won and I remember being to high [00:55:30] school and I was like, I was probably, it was a, I was a sophomore

[00:55:33] J. Aundrea: Mm-hmm.

[00:55:34] Bruce Anthonoy: and I was like, what's up Twan? You still the last person to win to fight against me?

[00:55:39] Bruce Anthonoy: You don't pick on smaller people 'cause you just never know.

[00:55:43] J. Aundrea: You don't know. You don't know. And I'm gonna tell you something. My best friend is one of the smallest people I know

[00:55:50] Bruce Anthonoy: T

[00:55:51] J. Aundrea: teeny tiny, don't, please don't sleep on her. Please, please. Because you will get your feelings and your ass [00:56:00] hurt. She will knock you on your ass. Like, don't,

[00:56:03] Bruce Anthonoy: don't do it.

[00:56:03] J. Aundrea: it.

[00:56:04] J. Aundrea: Don't

[00:56:04] Bruce Anthonoy: Don't do it.

[00:56:05] J. Aundrea: Yeah. But, um, these tariffs. Yeah, I mean the, the porn hub thing is funny, but like these have like really far reaching consequences that I don't think. Well, I'm pretty sure he doesn't care about, or he doesn't actually know about because nobody on his team is telling him like, there are no, I'm pretty [00:56:30] sure there are no independent economists on his team.

[00:56:32] J. Aundrea: Right. I'm pretty sure he doesn't even let certain press that he doesn't wanna talk to into the White House briefing room anymore. So there's a, nobody's telling him

[00:56:43] Bruce Anthonoy: My man said transgender mice. That's all that we, that's all that we need to know. He said transgender mice. He's an idiot.

[00:56:52] J. Aundrea: that he said black jobs and

[00:56:55] Bruce Anthonoy: Yeah, he did.

[00:56:56] J. Aundrea: and he meant blue collar labor [00:57:00] jobs specifically, and only

[00:57:02] Bruce Anthonoy: Mm-hmm. Yeah.

[00:57:03] J. Aundrea: said they're coming to steal your job, your black jobs. He meant all of the labor jobs, the farming. The hotel cleaning, all of that. That's what he meant. And that's what he considers.

[00:57:17] J. Aundrea: That's the, height of which, which, first of all, absolutely nothing with Labor or Blue College. I live in a blue collar neighborhood and nothing. We need these [00:57:30] jobs

[00:57:30] Bruce Anthonoy: Mm-hmm.

[00:57:31] J. Aundrea: people who are a, qualified to do them, and

[00:57:34] Bruce Anthonoy: Mm-hmm.

[00:57:35] J. Aundrea: want to do them

[00:57:36] Bruce Anthonoy: Yeah.

[00:57:36] J. Aundrea: to do these jobs. just so you know. When he thinks of black people or he thinks of people in co of color in general, he only thinks that you do that

[00:57:49] Bruce Anthonoy: Yeah. And so these tariffs are gonna keep going into effect. We're gonna keep having these tariff wars and the price of the brick, as they say, is going to go up all price.

[00:57:59] J. Aundrea: 'cause uh, [00:58:00] there's gonna be a high impact to construction costs

[00:58:02] Bruce Anthonoy: yeah, yeah.

[00:58:03] J. Aundrea: uh, Terra on Lumber

[00:58:05] Bruce Anthonoy: Yeah.

[00:58:05] J. Aundrea: great, not great if you wanna build that new deck.

[00:58:08] Bruce Anthonoy: Car parts. That's all that, yeah, yeah, yeah. The price of eggs. You know, Fox News said, you know, they are combating the price of eggs by having chickens. I might have to get me a chicken.

[00:58:20] J. Aundrea: I, there's, I got a neighbor 'cause I hear that that rooster crawl every morning. I got a neighbor that's got chickens. I'm about, I, I got a backyard.

[00:58:28] Bruce Anthonoy: Yeah, get, get some. Get [00:58:30] some chickens. Get some chickens.

[00:58:31] Signing Off: Closing Thoughts & Stay Healthy

[00:58:31] Bruce Anthonoy: But Jay, on that note, what you wanna tell the people out there?

[00:58:34] J. Aundrea: Man, something's going around y'all. I don't know. I'm down bad. I some sort of sickness or something was going around to protect yourself. Wear your mask, wash your hands.

[00:58:45] Bruce Anthonoy: Yo, for the audience out there, we had to stop filming yesterday. And I, I was like, Jay, she, she threw up in the middle of the, of the recording and I was like, we're done for the day. I, I didn't know it was this bad. And so we're [00:59:00] filming the next day.

[00:59:00] J. Aundrea: couldn't.

[00:59:02] Bruce Anthonoy: Yeah. No, couldn't, and then we started filming the day and she was just like, Hey, we gonna have to hurry up.

[00:59:07] Bruce Anthonoy: I'm like, all right, well, and then proceed. And then you proceeded to talk the whole segment.

[00:59:12] J. Aundrea: I know, right? Because I ended up, I, because I ended up with something I, you know, 'cause I haven't looked at nothing.

[00:59:18] Bruce Anthonoy: Nothing. No. Yeah.

[00:59:19] J. Aundrea: so you're bringing this up and I'm like, oh, okay. This is actually an interesting topic. Let's talk about these tariffs.

[00:59:25] Bruce Anthonoy: Yeah. Yeah. Brew the producer. He is always number one. He call me. Call me [00:59:30] Timberland of the podcast.

[00:59:31] J. Aundrea: But, uh, y'all see, y'all

[00:59:33] Bruce Anthonoy: You're not gonna jump on that.

[00:59:34] J. Aundrea: I, I wasn't gonna, honestly,

[00:59:36] Bruce Anthonoy: Okay.

[00:59:37] J. Aundrea: I'm a hundred, I'm not a hundred percent sure what you mean by that.

[00:59:40] Bruce Anthonoy: Timber, I'm the timberland of the podcasting. Mean. I'm good producer.

[00:59:45] J. Aundrea: All right. I probably would've gone, I, I don't know. I probably would've gone for a Mustard or.

[00:59:52] Bruce Anthonoy: NII go for Timberland because not only did he do hip hop, he did, uh, r and b and he, he crossed over and did mainstream.

[00:59:59] J. Aundrea: [01:00:00] do.

[01:00:00] Bruce Anthonoy: No, but I mean like, he made hit albums when Natalie Fat had another hit album.

[01:00:04] J. Aundrea: That's true.

[01:00:05] Bruce Anthonoy: She's still singing Promiscuous Girl.

[01:00:07] J. Aundrea: She is.

[01:00:08] Bruce Anthonoy: 20 years later. So Timberland, it I, I mean, I love that song. Anyway, ladies, gentlemen, that's it for today's episode 'cause my sister is not feeling well.

[01:00:17] Bruce Anthonoy: But thank you for listening. Thank you for watching, and until next time, as always, I'll holler. I. [01:00:30]

[01:00:30] Bruce Anthonoy: You don't have to do this.

[01:00:31] J. Aundrea: I was about to throw up again.

[01:00:33] Bruce Anthonoy: Yeah. That's, that's, you've done enough.

[01:00:36] J. Aundrea: it back that

[01:00:37] Bruce Anthonoy: Yeah.

[01:00:37] J. Aundrea: segment.

[01:00:38] Bruce Anthonoy: Yeah. I, I, I'll finish it. I'll finish it.

[01:00:41] Bruce Anthonoy: That's, that's okay. Feel better.

[01:00:43] J. Aundrea: Thank you. And

[01:00:44] Bruce Anthonoy: Yeah.

[01:00:45] J. Aundrea: hopefully I'll feel better tomorrow if you want to. I'm on spring break, so next week. So, um, I have nothing but time. Whenever you wanna film the,

[01:00:54] Bruce Anthonoy: We actually could have just filmed yesterday. Um, tomorrow. I. We could have filmed everything tomorrow.[01:01:00]

[01:01:00] J. Aundrea: Oh, I didn't know that. I don't know your schedule. I don't, I didn't know that.

[01:01:04] Bruce Anthonoy: Well, I'll tell you what, why don't we just film this tomorrow? I'm free

[01:01:08] J. Aundrea: Good.

[01:01:09] Bruce Anthonoy: three 30. From three 30 to six, we can film. Uh, I just, I'll, I'll put out another video from the interview I did with shorty tomorrow. And then do you do YouTube exclusive on Wednesday? We'll just, and then we'll. I, I could get the last segment in after hours and all that stuff.

[01:01:27] Bruce Anthonoy: Tomorrow, go, go rest. If I had known that, [01:01:30] then I would just say, let's do it tomorrow.

[01:01:31] J. Aundrea: Oh, okay.

[01:01:32] Bruce Anthonoy: It's gonna be screwed up. But I mean, the last segment, but that's okay.

[01:01:36] J. Aundrea: Got me. They'll be all right.

[01:01:36] Bruce Anthonoy: Yeah, they'd be all right. All right.

[01:01:36] J. Aundrea: feel like I can do it. It is eight more minutes. I feel like I can do it.

[01:01:40] Bruce Anthonoy: I, I would rather you're not,

[01:01:43] J. Aundrea: Okay.

[01:01:43] Bruce Anthonoy: you said you was holding back. It's okay.

[01:01:47] J. Aundrea: Okay.

[01:01:47] Bruce Anthonoy: It's all right. We could, we could.

[01:01:50] J. Aundrea: I

[01:01:50] Bruce Anthonoy: not,

[01:01:50] J. Aundrea: the session though, because,

[01:01:52] Bruce Anthonoy: no, I'm, I'm, I'm just gonna end it. I'm, I'm gonna end it now, but I'm actually gonna keep this and clip this for the behind the scenes 'cause I like it. [01:02:00] Um, and then we'll just film the last segment tomorrow and all the YouTube exclusive and after hours, all that tomorrow.

[01:02:06] Bruce Anthonoy: Will you feel better? Hopefully.

[01:02:07] J. Aundrea: Yeah. All right. All right. Appreciate.

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