Unveiling Artistic Pathways: A Journey into Kathryn Zoerb's Background and Work

00:10.66
Bruce Anthony

On today's episode I'll be interviewing and
Katherine Zorb she's an actress vocalist and

creative director of a theater production
company. But first things first.

00:33.70
Bruce Anthony

Now I've known Katherine for a couple of years
and I've always known that she has a very

interesting background but I didn't know that
the details of her background I knew that

she was an actress I knew that that she had
done some theater work and but i. Never and

I knew she could sing I didn't realize how
well she could sing but um, you know there

wasn't a whole lot to that. Even though I've
known her for a a while it wasn't a whole

lot to know about her background so and vied
on the show I thought that she would be somebody

interesting to talk to because I think that
she has an interesting and fascinating life.

And so I'm looking forward to this interview
and I'm looking forward to you guys getting

to know her ah but without further ado without
me continuing to ramble. Let's get to the

interview.

00:08.82
Bruce Anthony

Hello and welcome I'm here with Katherine
Zor she's a vocalist. She's an actress she's

a thespian welcome to the show I'm happy that
you came in today.

00:22.43
Kathryn Zoerb

It's great to be had Bruce. It's always great
to hang out with you and I'm ah glad to chat

about some theater fluffy stuff.

00:31.61
Bruce Anthony

We're gonna chat about you. That's the most
important thing you are the star of today's

show so Catherine you're being introduced
to our audience for the very first time. Maybe

you can give us a little little bit about
your background background where you're from

where you grew up where were your interests
growing up. And then we'll get into all of

your great artistic work.

00:53.49
Kathryn Zoerb

Yeah, so um I grew up primarily in Central
Pennsylvania just outside of Harrisburg but

a lot of my family is from the midwest so
a lot of people who meet me are like you have

to be from the midwest.

01:04.50
Bruce Anthony

A.

01:06.28
Kathryn Zoerb

But a lot of my families from Minnesota and
Iowa and Nebraska so I feel like I tend to

take on a lot of those very midwestern wasp
qualities. But um in central Pennsylvania

it was um yeah, my parents were always really
supportive and taking us to museums and.

01:14.48
Bruce Anthony

Here off.

01:26.28
Kathryn Zoerb

The theater very ah middle income and the
same vacations every year which I found were

really stabilizing to get kind of basic work
hard ah work ethic and um, my grandparents

were also.

01:31.85
Bruce Anthony

A.

01:44.43
Kathryn Zoerb

Just very much like that and you know be good
people be kind and work hard and artistically

um I would say that both of my parents were
involved in music and in band but neither

of them are professional musicians.

01:46.80
Bruce Anthony

A.

02:02.28
Kathryn Zoerb

My dad actually though ah worked for 25 years
in broadcast journalism I feel like that's

where I get a lot of my ah acting flair ah
say so um, that was always fun to go to take

your daughter to work day and.

02:04.59
Bruce Anthony

Okay.

02:10.99
Bruce Anthony

Okay.

02:19.21
Kathryn Zoerb

See on the set of the Tv station and go on
the the weather chroma key and all that stuff

so that was definitely formative.

02:25.59
Bruce Anthony

Oh why? That's yeah, that's pretty cool. Um,
so I guess you can say it was kind of your

because you have a diverse background as far
as your arts right? Like not only are you

and a Thespian Not only are you a vocalist
and when I say a vocalist.

02:35.97
Kathryn Zoerb

Yeah.

02:43.12
Bruce Anthony

Y'all this is not just singing in the shower
like miss maam is a full soprano and I'm not

talking about Tony Sopranos we'll talk about
vocally like I've I've seen recordings is

dope as hell. So like I would I guess thiss
easy. It's clear to say that your parents

definitely influenced because you grew up
in that type of household just an artistic

household.

03:05.71
Kathryn Zoerb

For sure it it was when I was in first grade
it was like okay, let's start some piano lessons.

It's important to learn how to read music
and music is a big joy in life. So my parents

never pushed me to say oh you need to do this
professionally or need to keep doing this

but they they have always found music. As
a form of joy and an enriching part of life.

So music I would say was the first love starting
to play piano and then I in fourth grade started

playing Cello um, and then I I still play
my cello but definitely you find what you're

best at and you try not to. Spread yourself
too thin with all the different stuff but

it's a balance of keeping things fresh but
also cultivating what you really find you

excel in which I found was singing. Yeah.

03:55.64
Bruce Anthony

So I have an interesting question like so
my dad is a musician like his claim to fame

that he was in a band when I was born and
he legitimately can play all types of instruments

and he can sing and that kind of skipped me
and not because it was pushed.

04:03.98
Kathryn Zoerb

She sisters.

04:13.36
Kathryn Zoerb

Who's.

04:15.44
Bruce Anthony

Army But maybe a little bit like you change
play instrument or you could sing. Why don't

you sing in the choir and I was like I don't
want to do all this stuff So was there any

point where your parents because they're signing
you up for music. Were you asking or were

they like here you need to go ahead and and
try this out and was there a point where you're

just like I don't want to do this.

04:34.57
Kathryn Zoerb

That's a great question not to make it about
you Bruce but do do you have siblings and

if you do where do you fall in the lineup.
Ah.

04:41.85
Bruce Anthony

I'm the oldest. Um my sister is the is the
musical one. She's the she's the voice. My

brother will claim that he's the voice but
he was just in the choir. Um I can't sing

anymore. But yeah, no, um I think my sister
plays the piano and the guitar. My dad plays

a whole bunch of instruments. But Okay so
you said Aha What does the oldest in your

mind have to do with.

05:08.75
Kathryn Zoerb

Well I wonder you know it's just a theory.
Obviously my sample size is small but ah my

I have an older sister. She's about 6 years
older than me so growing up especially because

she was so much older she did piano. She did
voice. So and I was a pro as a pretty easy

going kid.

05:12.50
Bruce Anthony

Ah.

05:22.61
Bruce Anthony

There.

05:24.62
Kathryn Zoerb

You know my mom would say go up for time out
and be like all right? You know I wasn't super

stubborn about ah things like that. But my
sister is quite stubborn and if she's listening.

You know it's true. Ah, so but she absolutely
excelled in music but was a little bit more

stubborn I would say in terms of like time
to practice like no.

05:34.86
Bruce Anthony

Yeah. A.

05:44.48
Kathryn Zoerb

And I was pretty much I just adored her Well
adore currently I still adore my sister but

especially being so much younger adored her
and wanted to do anything she did so it just

when my parents were like oh time to take
Pianos like oh yes, of course it is then I

can do things with my sister show her and
look for her.

05:49.84
Bruce Anthony

Are.

06:04.23
Kathryn Zoerb

Love and approval. You know all the little
sister things.

06:04.32
Bruce Anthony

Oh so obviously you grew up in a household
with music because of your parents. But maybe

your influence was absolutely wanting to be
like your older sister. Okay, that's that's

really interesting So with with all of these
different.

06:15.44
Kathryn Zoerb

Totally.

06:23.58
Bruce Anthony

Art forms that that you different instruments
that you know how to play I'm sure you're

not solely a soprento that you could do different
octaves when you sing like how did all of

these things intersect in your creative journey
like when did you get to the point that you

were like okay. I Don't like this instrument
I like this instrument or I don't like singing

this way I like singing this way.

06:50.43
Kathryn Zoerb

What a good. That's such a thoughtful question
I would say um, probably towards the end of

high school. It became clear in terms of at
least not like you really have to choose.

Hundred percent but I found that I excelled
more in voice than in cello say and I just

enjoyed that process more because it's it's
a lot of work and if you start to ah begrudge

the work then it's tough to excel I think
so I would begrudge a little bit more.

07:07.90
Bruce Anthony

If.

07:23.81
Bruce Anthony

Um, right.

07:25.83
Kathryn Zoerb

Work on the Cello and I liked the work of
being a vocalist in the singing and and Cello

especially I didn't really like to play by
myself I Loved I Loved playing an orchestra

and in quarets and stuff like that but singing
I can do it by myself I can do with.

07:37.85
Bruce Anthony

E.

07:43.56
Kathryn Zoerb

1 person 2 people 100 people that didn't matter.
So um, yeah I would say later in high school

became clear what I was best at and then in
college it was a matter of what do I want

to keep up with to.

07:58.62
Kathryn Zoerb

Honestly have as a skill on my resume right?
because as an actor sometimes I go into a

rehearsal or I'm sorry into I go into an audition
room and they say do you play any instruments

and I go. Ah yes I play XYZ and I do Abc um,
so it's it's my job to keep things fresh.

07:58.70
Bruce Anthony

Are.

08:15.82
Bruce Anthony

Okay.

08:17.49
Kathryn Zoerb

But I don't necessarily have to be excellent
in everything that's on my resume but I do

need to be honest about its on my resume.
Um, but yeah so I and I would in terms of

singing really as I've gotten older now in
my thirty s um I used to be pretty snotty

like well I don't sing.

08:21.10
Bruce Anthony

Right? Well yeah.

08:37.99
Kathryn Zoerb

Belty stuff blah blah blah. But now as you
because actually you're in your vocal prime

in your 30 s in terms of hormones and aging
and all that kind of stuff and I found that

I I'm getting a little bit better at that
mid-range belt and also still keeping my um.

08:41.35
Bruce Anthony

Oh I didn't know that.

08:54.67
Kathryn Zoerb

Really high beautiful soaring notes as well.
So I've gotten more confident doing some more

musical theater type style without feeling
like I'm compromising my vocal health. Ah

I feel a little bit more confident in exploring
different genres and.

09:10.77
Bruce Anthony

So is it safe to say that you liked playing
instruments but you're in love with singing.

Yeah, okay so you you said you brought up
college for those people that don't know.

09:13.42
Kathryn Zoerb

Settling in.

09:21.46
Kathryn Zoerb

Yeah.

09:30.77
Bruce Anthony

Katherine's got a b a in theater and music
from the University Of Pittsburgh how did

college this? Oh oh goodness pit. Yeah yeah,
ah ah marily Maryland doesn't play pit too

often. So I don't have anything negative to
say about that. Um, how did college how did

a college education shape.

09:35.15
Kathryn Zoerb

Don't get.

09:49.97
Bruce Anthony

Artistic pursuits and prepare you for the
professional world. You talked a little bit

about how you had to pick and choose what
you were going to specialize in. Obviously

you specialize and got your B a and theater
and music. But you also needed to keep those

things on your resume. So how did college
prepare prepare you for that professional

world.

10:06.27
Kathryn Zoerb

Yeah, so um in the arts, especially there
are different kinds of degrees. You can get

so I got to be a a bachelor of arts. But there's
a lot of programs out there where you can

get a B f a which is a bachelor's of fine
arts. Um, and that's.

10:23.78
Bruce Anthony

Um, yeah.

10:24.35
Kathryn Zoerb

Generally and I'm very this is speaking broadly
right? Every program is different but a bfa

is generally a little bit more intensive.
Um, you pick a specific discipline as in acting

or singing or this and it's a little tougher
to combine them again. I'm not trying to say

every bfa is like that. It's just.

10:39.66
Bruce Anthony

A.

10:42.24
Kathryn Zoerb

Broadly speaking and a B a is a little bit
more of a general theater education. So I

took classes in ah, costume design and I know
how to sew buttons and I would have to do

hours in the costume shop or hours in the
scenic shop helping to build sets.

10:53.61
Bruce Anthony

Okay.

11:01.67
Kathryn Zoerb

And working backstage as well as on stage
so it was a little bit more well-rounded which

for me and my ah learning is what I wanted
Sometimes it's better for people to be more

specific and they need that structure of a
B a um but I found that I was always pretty.

11:14.53
Bruce Anthony

A.

11:20.26
Kathryn Zoerb

Independent all through high school even um,
a sidebar I was um, always going to be forever

grateful that my parents signed me out of
having to take physics or Calculus because

I always I really struggled I struggled.

11:31.15
Bruce Anthony

Oh okay, well.

11:37.94
Kathryn Zoerb

Gold so much with math and I tried so hard
and I worked hard and had tutors and all kinds

of things but and I didn't need those credits
but I wanted to take Honors humanities and

other other classes I wanted to do an internship
and um yeah I know my parents were like well

do you think she'll need it but I'm just so
grateful that.

11:46.20
Bruce Anthony

A.

11:57.80
Kathryn Zoerb

You know I did the basic math things and then
they let me do what I was passionate about

so I was always better at I was pretty good
at planning things I knew I wanted to do so

the P a good for me.

11:57.95
Bruce Anthony

As A right. Okay, see as a person as a person
who you know studied to be a teacher and has

his degree in and secondary education I can
realistically say. There is no reason for

physics and Calculus not unless you're going
to be an engineer or a scientist. There's

there. You do need the basic math but physics
and Calculus First of all I don't even know

why they have physics in high school I didn't
take physics until I got to college by the

way I did get an a in that but but.

12:23.74
Kathryn Zoerb

Um, yes, right.

12:35.13
Kathryn Zoerb

Oh who.

12:40.64
Bruce Anthony

This is not about me this is about you So
you're in college and at some point you study

abroad is this after you graduate or is this
while you were in college. Ok.

12:53.40
Kathryn Zoerb

So both? um I so because I had that B a education
right? Pretty pretty general learning a lot

of of everything which I really enjoyed I
wanted that B f a experience something that

was more of a conservatory that.

13:04.59
Bruce Anthony

You.

13:08.87
Kathryn Zoerb

You have your classes totally designed for
you and you're really immersed in ah something

and I really wanted that experience I just
didn't want 4 years of it. Um, so I was looking

at study abroad programs because shocker my
sister studied abroad. So I knew I had to

study abroad.

13:15.69
Bruce Anthony

A.

13:23.82
Bruce Anthony

Um, right? Yes, so is is this is I'm gonna
get a little personal here. So you you're

looking up to your sister are you also kind
of competing with your sister as well is it

is it I Want to be better than her.

13:26.24
Kathryn Zoerb

You understand you understand of course.

13:37.50
Kathryn Zoerb

Yeah, no, that's a good question I would say
no because she's she was so much older than

me and she's so confident in what she ended
up doing that it wasn't yeah but I think if

maybe we were 3 years apart there would be
more of that.

13:40.22
Bruce Anthony

Yeah. A.

13:53.10
Bruce Anthony

Closer in age. Yeah.

13:57.29
Kathryn Zoerb

Ah, because I just currently any and then
just adore her and her advice and counsel

and I also know when it's like well maybe
that's I appreciate the wisdom but I'm gonna

do something else right? So I'm not a total
follower but I knew that she had a.

14:08.42
Bruce Anthony

Right? there.

14:15.96
Kathryn Zoerb

She was good at blazing her own trail. Um
yes I'm gonna go I didn't go to the same place

though. But.

14:16.62
Bruce Anthony

Okay, so she goes so you decide I'm going
to go So okay so how does that decision come

about of picking where to go.

14:27.85
Kathryn Zoerb

Yeah, so I was looking at different programs
that were a little more that conservatory

style and I found a music program in London
was like oh maybe that would be fun more music

based and then I came across this program.
Ah, that was in arerezzo italy which is a

city about an hour south of Florence and I
thought well that's interesting and it specialized

in a type of theater called comidia da artte
which is an italian masked form of theater.

It was very physical and I knew that. I was
always very physical I was a dancer and I

thought well that's kind of cool I get movement
in this new style and there was a guy at my

college who was maybe I think 3 years older
than me and he studied abroad there and I

was like hey how how was it and he said it
was awesome.

15:08.89
Bruce Anthony

Are.

15:22.24
Kathryn Zoerb

So I thought that could be a really cool different
experience. That's totally different from

what I'm getting at school and I applied and
I got in and was like okay I'm I'm going to

Italy for a semester.

15:32.51
Bruce Anthony

So you're you're studying comeedia del art
day and and you say it's a mask and physical

form of theater. Can you kind of break down
when you say physical because I'm thinking

to myself house Theater Physical sports are
physical but how how can I conceptualize.

15:45.40
Kathryn Zoerb

M.

15:51.75
Bruce Anthony

Theater being physical. So could you kind
of explain look give a little bit more detail

about that art form and and what do you mean
by physical.

15:58.49
Kathryn Zoerb

Yeah, so so this type of theater originated
in Renaissance Italy and it's been. You know

these characters they're based on stock characters
right? like the principal at the school who

everyone's trying to subvert the young lovers
the meddling parents. Kind of these classic

archetypes that we see in society. You know
the person that talks all the time and says

nothing like that's a comic that's a comic
archetype. So ah, what makes these kind of

archetypes special and maybe different from
watching a rom com.

16:22.35
Bruce Anthony

Um, right.

16:34.55
Kathryn Zoerb

Is that when you wear a mask. It's a heightened
version of this archetype Um, it can be a

heightened version of yourself or the thing
that you're portraying and by putting a mask

on your face It forces you to be specific
about where you're looking.

16:37.68
Bruce Anthony

And now.

16:50.38
Kathryn Zoerb

So for example, maybe if I'm talking to someone
just sitting on the couch I'm looking over

here and I'm looking over there and I'm not
very specific. But if you have a mask on your

face with a specific kind of a nose or an
eyebrow when your mask looks at something.

That's what the audience possibly looks at.
So you need every movement to be specific

almost like a choreographed dance and with
this heightened physicality. These characters

will have ways that they walk. Maybe they
walk from heel to toe or from toe to heel.

Maybe when they walk their leg comes up two
feet off

17:10.67
Bruce Anthony

Right? okay.

17:26.26
Kathryn Zoerb

Ground or maybe they have quick steps or slow
steps Also in this type of theater. There

are acrobatics involved summersaults if you
can do cartwheels. Sometimes there is a acro

balanceance that you can do fun balancing
things on each other ah like a hide and seat

game right? Like let's.

17:42.62
Bruce Anthony

Um, oh wow.

17:45.93
Kathryn Zoerb

Let's say I'm the boss at an office and I'm
trying to crack down on my lazy employees

and I walk out and I bend down to look and
somebody's on my back and like where are they

and then I come up and then they've disappeared
so there's a lot of fun games to be had physically.

Um, yeah does that.

17:57.54
Bruce Anthony

Okay. That definitely answers the question
my next question then becomes I guess well

I know voice in theater is so much more important
than like watching Tv or something like that.

But I would assume the in flections of your
voice have to be really strong.

18:04.14
Kathryn Zoerb

Is that helpful.

18:21.15
Bruce Anthony

To convey what you're trying to say because
you can't say it with facial expressions.

So.

18:26.37
Kathryn Zoerb

Yeah, exactly and um, it vocal inflection
as well as specificity what it for by putting

that mask on your face It forces you to know
because they teach you in basic old acting

class like what's your.

18:33.40
Bruce Anthony

You know.

18:43.85
Kathryn Zoerb

Objective What do you want in this scene.
What's your intention. You know what are your

active verbs you hear that in a lot of acting
classes and it becomes all the more heightened

when you've got this thing on your face and
you want to look at where you're going you

look and go So it's.

18:56.30
Bruce Anthony

Um, me.

19:01.24
Kathryn Zoerb

It forces you to be specific about what you
want and what you're trying to achieve on

stage.

19:04.86
Bruce Anthony

Wow, That's really dope because I would assume
somebody like me who's always sarcastic but

that you can see it on my face like if you
can't tell the sarcasm in my voice you could

see it in my face. But in this instance and
in this art form.

19:14.91
Kathryn Zoerb

Boom.

19:22.46
Bruce Anthony

It has to be clear from my voice because you
can't see it in my face So I would say that

that's probably a harder form of acting ah
because you're you're eliminating not ah yeah,

you're eliminating ah different things you
can use to convey emotions.

19:39.56
Kathryn Zoerb

Yeah, or things you're used to using so when
you talk about being sarcastic I can still

be sarcastic and maybe instead of like you
know lifting my eyebrow I do this with my

head so that you see it in a bigger spot where
maybe I have got a thing with my hands.

19:41.49
Bruce Anthony

That's pretty dope right.

19:50.12
Bruce Anthony

A.

19:56.93
Kathryn Zoerb

And arms that I do instead of something subtle
like how you say with Tv and film. Um, sometimes

I'm guilty with like I barely do any television
work I was an extra on house of cards 1 time

which barely counts like who wasn't an extra.

20:10.10
Bruce Anthony

Okay, and then that counts I wasn't.

20:14.66
Kathryn Zoerb

Cards in the Baltimore Dc area but to me,
you know it's I'm just so I'm just so big

and specific that Tv and film requires a kind
of subtlety that is not as what I'm not as

well trained in that and folks who can do
it all and.

20:24.14
Bruce Anthony

A. Are.

20:32.79
Kathryn Zoerb

And thinking like Kristin Chenowith the people
who can do Tv film stage all of those things

they can go from big to small to medium um
whereas sometimes you know there's some Tv

stars that they get a gig on Broadway and
they're called flat. Um because they're used.

They're so good at.

20:47.19
Bruce Anthony

A.

20:51.66
Kathryn Zoerb

They're medium and have practice in their
medium I'm sure if I was slapped on a film.

They'd say I was overacting because I'm used
to my medium.

20:57.45
Bruce Anthony

Wow. Okay, so you're in Italy What was that
experience like outside of of learning your

craft and learning that art form just living
in Italy because you're a young adult. You're

an adult Because. You can vote right? So you're
an adult but you're a young adult in a foreign

country that I'm going to assume that you've
never been to before So What was that experience

just living there in Italy were there any
obstacles or challenges that you had to overcome

while living there.

21:21.89
Kathryn Zoerb

Right.

21:32.23
Kathryn Zoerb

Yeah, ah so I was there. Um, as an undergraduate
so has 20 um turning twenty one and then I

went back for about a month long program in
18 to study with ah it's called a maestro

m a e s t r o.

21:42.20
Bruce Anthony

Yeah.

21:49.60
Kathryn Zoerb

Um, Antonio fava to study under him so ah,
comparing the 2 you know going on know how

old what of science then 28 something like
that late 20 s right? So being 20 versus let's

say 28 ah it was really.

22:02.79
Bruce Anthony

Um.

22:08.68
Kathryn Zoerb

Quite different being an adult and a grown
person. Also when I was 20 um the program

everything was in english we took italian
but you know our teachers all taught in english

um, and everybody was an american student
so there was that um.

22:22.43
Bruce Anthony

Maybe.

22:26.55
Kathryn Zoerb

Support system and a little bit more comfortability
being an undergraduate and with that ah cohort

of people so to have that support. You felt
more um and the weeks weeks were rigorous

so being able to go and travel throughout
italy was important on the weekends.

22:43.95
Bruce Anthony

E.

22:46.32
Kathryn Zoerb

Um, then in 2018 there I think it was ah it
was a group of 40 or 50 folks and there maybe

be only four americans so that I would say
was more challenging because it was you know

spaniards argentinians italians.

22:53.00
Bruce Anthony

Hey.

23:03.60
Kathryn Zoerb

Folks from the french somebody from turkey
so that was kind of all over so a lot of folks

would speak in english but a lot of my friends
were italian and I would want to go out to

lunch with them and I had studied italian
before I went and I knew that the classes

were. Primarily in italian but then he would
translate into english but it would be like

he would talk for 10 minutes in italian and
then for 1 in english and I was like crap.

What am I missing the thing I didn't anticipate
going back is how exhausting it is.

23:25.64
Bruce Anthony

Um, right.

23:37.57
Kathryn Zoerb

Ah, operating in a second language and it
gave me so much more appreciation I had never

held before for folks as english as their
second language being here in America I would

get to the end of the day and I would just
want to rest but all my roommate you know

I'd want to hang out with my roommates who
are speaking in italian I would do my best.

23:38.20
Bruce Anthony

A.

23:57.46
Kathryn Zoerb

To stay awake and try to take it all in but
it was definitely trial by fire that could

be a little isolating but luckily everybody
was really kind and just glad that as an American

you tried to.

24:04.17
Bruce Anthony

Are you.

24:09.77
Bruce Anthony

Wow.

24:12.71
Kathryn Zoerb

And you didn't you. It's not like oh great
here comes the american into the group now

we all have to speak english it was more like
all right? Let's let's try to help Catherine

along and I would communicate as best as I
could um yeah and Google translate is also

wonderful. But.

24:26.79
Bruce Anthony

Google translator is always everybody's best
friend in a foreign country.

24:32.10
Kathryn Zoerb

I Know it is so yeah I would say the obstacles
definitely language and appreciating the the

physical exhaustion of working through the
day and then the mental exhaustion of communication.

Um, yeah, so I would say that.

24:42.72
Bruce Anthony

Yeah.

24:48.46
Kathryn Zoerb

And ah, you know, um I love Europe I I Also
love America I I love a yard I Love a big

bathroom and a big kitchen I Love a dryer
that works. But.

25:00.80
Bruce Anthony

Yeah, wait a minute. Do they not have dryers
at work in Italy. Ah so you might well just

hang it outside. Yeah.

25:03.49
Kathryn Zoerb

I mean no, there are some dryers and it's
like 5 hours to dry your clothes so you hang

everything to dry especially because think
of all the energy and um so again, love europe

adore it. But I'm definitely I'm definitely
american then.

25:21.40
Bruce Anthony

Um, right that makes sense. The.

25:21.40
Kathryn Zoerb

Terms of the things I enjoy the little could
the creature comforts or are you.

25:32.13
Bruce Anthony

So Katherine you've had an opportunity to
work for several theater companies and in

various productions. What particular role
or production that you've done. Do you do

you consider a milestone for your career and
what's memorable about it to you.

25:48.26
Kathryn Zoerb

I would say that one of the biggest milestones
right now in my career post pandemic was I

had the pleasure of doing a show called. Don't
laugh or laugh. You probably should laugh.

It's called Naked Mole rack gets dressed.

26:07.69
Bruce Anthony

That I've dumped that ok all right that that's
interesting naked Mole Rats dressed. Oh oh

ok.

26:08.13
Kathryn Zoerb

And it was with so.

26:12.53
Kathryn Zoerb

Yes, naked Mole Rat gets dressed the rock
experience that I've got I got I got out.

So.

26:24.90
Bruce Anthony

You got to break this one down for me.

26:28.51
Kathryn Zoerb

This is with a really fantastic theater called
imagination stage they're in Bethesda and

they specialize in children's theater ah from
they have ah shows for theater for the very

young like little babies up to 2 or 3 and
then they've got big bigger main stage shows.

26:32.88
Bruce Anthony

Um, okay.

26:43.63
Kathryn Zoerb

Ah, for kids you know it can be anywhere from
twoish to 3 ish to 10 you know around there

and um, they're one of they're the biggest
children's theater in town and they not like

it's all about awards but they have you know
tons of awards and really invest in their

people and their production value folks.

26:49.13
Bruce Anthony

Um, okay.

27:03.35
Kathryn Zoerb

C shows that imagination stage and are like
this is children's theater because it's just

big and awesome. So I've ever since I moved
down here in 2012 imagination stage was one

of the first they call it an epa and equity
principal audition. So equity is the.

27:04.78
Bruce Anthony

Are a.

27:21.52
Kathryn Zoerb

Union the actors union it's blah blah blah
there are these big auditions and as I was

non-union I would sit and wait and wait and
wait to be seen by imagination. You know the

things you go when you sit all day hoping
that they'll see you and consider you? Um,

so that was back in 2012 so you know post.

27:32.44
Bruce Anthony

Um e.

27:40.66
Kathryn Zoerb

Now you know what I mean post Pandemic Covid's
obviously still around but in terms of think

you know I can work again. So to me I'm going
to say post pandemic because theaters are

open Yes, totally exactly? Um, so.

27:44.77
Bruce Anthony

Right? I post Pandemic let's say Bat life
back somewhat? yes.

27:58.35
Kathryn Zoerb

When I booked this contract with imagination
for you know, 2022 into 2023. It's kind of

that 10 year Mark right? like yes I've got
the I've got this contract at a theater I've

always wanted to work at. You know they pay
really well a living wage and I love the director

and the experience was one of the most challenging
artist experiences of my entire life. Um,

you which you wouldn't think right? you think
children's theater should be easy, but it

was a musical and um.

28:20.18
Bruce Anthony

He.

28:29.15
Kathryn Zoerb

You you? of course you know you sang you dance
you act and we had these costumes on that

it's ah because you're a mole rat and mole
rats have little big paunches so we basically

wore big old fluffy suits like think like
a 90 s fat suit really with skin over and

so you're.

28:38.30
Bruce Anthony

Um.

28:43.73
Bruce Anthony

Um, okay.

28:48.49
Kathryn Zoerb

Jumping around on stage and the conceit because
it was the rock experiences they wanted to

do naked mole rat as a it's a musical but
with people playing live instruments so they

said to me Katherine you. Play cellllo ah,
do you think like what would you think of

puttering around on the electric base and
I was like wowa. Ah how much are we talk in

here because I'm I'm happy to I'm happy to
say yes and talk about possibilities but I'm

not a bit base player.

29:21.37
Bruce Anthony

Right.

29:23.65
Kathryn Zoerb

So there's that reality and they're like well
like it totally depends on people's level

and all that stuff and I thought okay and
they gave me 1 to practice ahead of time I

bought a you know bass guitar for beginner's
book and was because the strings are different.

29:35.78
Bruce Anthony

A.

29:37.95
Kathryn Zoerb

The fingerings are different that has frets
which really hurt your fingers Cello does

not have frets. Um, so you know it's practicxing
and went into rehearsals feeling pretty good

and then because everyone was so strong people
are playing drums and guitar and Keys and.

29:42.50
Bruce Anthony

Right.

29:55.33
Kathryn Zoerb

All sorts of things they were like well since
you're all so good. We're going to try to

play as many songs as we can live so it was
a yeah so I would say um, it's probably 1

of the first times I've cried in the rehearsal
room which I don't um you know sometimes.

30:01.30
Bruce Anthony

Whoo. Ok.

30:08.92
Bruce Anthony

He.

30:13.36
Kathryn Zoerb

If I'm like acting or something and it's outcry.
But in terms of crying in rehearsal because

I'm frustrated I don't I don't do that I've
always taken critiques really well I love

taking direction I love trying different things
and collaborating. That's one of my specialties

but it was just one of those moments. The
choreographer was like okay so.

30:19.84
Bruce Anthony

Yeah.

30:32.89
Kathryn Zoerb

Start to sway a little bit and I was like
I don't I need to look at the music I I don't

know where my fingers are going and I'm trying
to sing and I'm trying to dance I'm trying

to act and it was like Wow so it was really
a turning point. Oh sorry.

30:35.92
Bruce Anthony

Right. And I Now that's okay, I'm curious
because you said you guys are wearing these

big puffy costumes when you perform it live.
Obviously you have to be practicing in these

big. Costumes just to get used to playing
the instrument that by the way you had never

played before right and and you're gonna be
doing this live and a bunch of Songs. So I

Guess all of that bubbling up. Yeah, that
would be pretty frustrating.

31:01.57
Kathryn Zoerb

Right? so.

31:09.94
Kathryn Zoerb

Yeah, oh yeah, yep, So but I had a good cry
and then I just went home and worked my worked

my buns off and my husband was like well what
can we do like who can who can we hire to

help you I was like no Jesus you know, no
no.

31:28.99
Bruce Anthony

Um.

31:29.95
Kathryn Zoerb

Can help me because in these shows because
they're only about an hour this rehearsal

process is only about two weeks before you
go into what's called tech when you add in

all the technical elements so playing this
instrument. Ah I think it ended up being like

3 or 4 songs and maybe there were like 6 songs
in the whole show and.

31:38.39
Bruce Anthony

Okay.

31:46.25
Bruce Anthony

Click. Yeah.

31:49.73
Kathryn Zoerb

Ah, memorized and I thought maybe it'd be
like oh let's pick up the things play a little

bit and put them back down. Ah with the choreography
like doing a great vine as you're playing

so I would I would rehearse 8 hours a day
and I would come home and keep practicing

because it's this is.

32:02.19
Bruce Anthony

Who.

32:07.48
Kathryn Zoerb

My own issue but like that excellence Standard
you know like I pride myself on the things

I'm good at at being excellent and I can't
I can't accept anything less when I'm in that

so it was it was extraordinarily stressful,
but let me tell you? um.

32:13.80
Bruce Anthony

A.

32:24.80
Kathryn Zoerb

I Know that that all sounds just like harmful
and abusive. But it's not I you know kept

with the contract. But what I mean to say
is with that hard work thinking back to like

my grandparents and my parents just I won't
give up sometimes I wasn't always the one

with the raw talent in the room but I worked
so hard that I became the best.

32:40.56
Bruce Anthony

A a.

32:44.63
Kathryn Zoerb

In Ah, whatever situation. It might have been.
Um, well you know auditly for State chorus

in high school like maybe someone was a better
singer but they didn't practice the songs

so well. But just like the the audition songs
that someone might have been great and like

technically sounded better than me but they
didn't do the work.

32:53.00
Bruce Anthony

Wait a minute what they just come in there.

33:03.10
Bruce Anthony

And yeah.

33:04.30
Kathryn Zoerb

So that yeah anyway, that's at the sidebar
I that I did it I felt like I was in a rock

band even in a big old puffy suit and it was
awesome and ah we actually in the DC area

we have something called the Helen Hayes awards
which is like the.

33:12.52
Bruce Anthony

Um, a.

33:22.46
Kathryn Zoerb

Ah, Washington d c tony's if you if you will
and um this this coming Monday and naked moat

were nominated for best. Ah, but not best
I think they call it outstanding like outstanding

children's theater. Our directors nominated
for best director and then we're also nominated

for best musical.

33:22.47
Bruce Anthony

Okay.

33:41.69
Kathryn Zoerb

Alongside theaters like only in signature.
So with the with the big kids right? So this

little children's theater show um is got got
a lot of attention because we all rocked it

and crushed it so that that to me I'm like
that is.

33:45.40
Bruce Anthony

Okay.

33:59.34
Bruce Anthony

Yeah, that's a that's a that's a hell in them
an accomplishment I'm just thinking of like

all the things that you it's almost a culmination
of everything that you've ever trained for

all of these different all these different
forms.

34:00.33
Kathryn Zoerb

I Did it did this thing it seemed impossible
and it feels so good.

34:15.66
Kathryn Zoerb

You said it.

34:17.53
Bruce Anthony

Art forms that you did and it all came together
and then as it's all coming together as this

final performance. Not your final performance
and in your finest performance they throw

in. Oh yeah, we want you to learn a new instrument.

34:26.60
Kathryn Zoerb

And.

34:32.52
Bruce Anthony

That's that's dope and you did it. So yes,
that would be memorable and thank you for

sharing that with us that that should be a
motivation for anybody out there I always

talk about.

34:35.32
Kathryn Zoerb

Yeah.

34:41.67
Kathryn Zoerb

Oh and I also like in terms of keeping up
with Cello like if I didn't just tootle around

on it every once in a while you know, just
that kind of casual keeping up with skills

I will never take that for granted ever again.

34:46.77
Bruce Anthony

Right? so.

34:56.52
Bruce Anthony

Like you said, that's what you were doing
to make sure that what you said on your resume

was remain valid so that that that is something
that you picked up from your family that work

hard. Ah hey this is what I say I am I'm going
to maintain that this is who I am so.

35:10.50
Kathryn Zoerb

Um, yeah, yeah.

35:12.26
Bruce Anthony

Yes, you should Pat yourself on the back and
even give yourself a little t r like that's

dope. So that's you in performing but you're
also a co artistic director of faction of

fools theater company um, tell us a little
bit about that.

35:28.43
Kathryn Zoerb

My pride and joy. Yeah, so faction of fools.
Um ah became started doing shows in the Dc

area around 14011 and that's about when I
studied abroad for the first time when I was

an undergrad.

35:30.50
Bruce Anthony

That's your pride and joy tell us a little
bit about that.

35:42.99
Bruce Anthony

A.

35:45.17
Kathryn Zoerb

And I remember coming back and 1 of my girlfriends
who went to umbc so in the general area said

hey you know there's a comed do artte company
in town and I was like are you kidding me?

Ah I just I just studied in that and I knew
I wanted to move to DC after I graduated.

35:59.88
Bruce Anthony

Are a.

36:02.80
Kathryn Zoerb

Um, and it was always my goal to work with
them and my first show with faction was in

2015 and I knew I met my people ah just good.
Great. Awesome folks. So I've been doing shows

with them and then ah my I call it my workwife
francesca.

36:09.42
Bruce Anthony

A.

36:21.50
Kathryn Zoerb

Francesca and I took over the company in 2020
um as co-artistic directors and we kind of

do everything and every year we just grow
more and more and more which is really exciting.

So it's also brings because I in in college
I liked.

36:39.97
Bruce Anthony

A here.

36:40.34
Kathryn Zoerb

Studying things like stage management and
the lighting in the costume so that is going

all into running this company like creating
a budget and managing folks and in a production

aspect. So we just closed an extraordinarily
successful show called love like tuesday.

That um, we produced in February and March
of this year Twenty Twenty three and we're

just feeling so high from that really successful
and um, yeah, we so comeedia ah de artte ah

is really ah, a practice that's steeped. In
ah predatory, capitalism and white supremacy

and like at those predatory things and there
are some tradition quote quote unquote traditions

in Comedia like oh well, you know the the
dumber the zoni so that's like the.

37:21.92
Bruce Anthony

Um, hey.

37:35.89
Kathryn Zoerb

The the worker bees The the servants quote
unquote like oh the Dumber the zoni the bigger

the nose like well maybe that doesn't maybe
that's not good to perpetuate like oh the

character That's really greedy. Let's give
him a hooked nose like maybe we shouldn't

so it's like taking this tradition that.

37:36.82
Bruce Anthony

Are a.

37:42.80
Bruce Anthony

Um, right? yeah.

37:48.33
Bruce Anthony

Right? yeah.

37:53.98
Kathryn Zoerb

Obviously has sustained because it's special.
But what what would comeed de arte artists

do in 2023 and let me tell you they wouldn't
do what they did all the time it would be

like well what's funny now who can we make
fun of now and what's new and relevant.

38:02.60
Bruce Anthony

Um, right? yeah.

38:11.91
Kathryn Zoerb

So our show love like Tuesday it was a new
play. We commissioned a playwright named Doug

Robinson who's incredible and we did like
a 90 s inspired rom com where the lunch lady

got the love story so kind of subverting some
of those ah expectations that it's not always

the young lovers who get the love. Although
we love Matt but.

38:22.31
Bruce Anthony

Ok.

38:27.78
Bruce Anthony

Right.

38:31.27
Kathryn Zoerb

Like maybe someone who's 40 can get the love
story too. So ah, we're we're practicing Comeedia

Del Artte I mean truly I think it's like original
practices like how would well what would they

do now. But of course that there's a lot of
um comedian companies there that you'll see

them in more classic.

38:40.30
Bruce Anthony

Right.

38:50.74
Kathryn Zoerb

Original masks from the renaissance and costumes
from the renaissance area and you know that's

if it creates joy and doesn't harm folks.
Whatever folks want to do but our shtick is

kind of what is Comedia to ourte now in Washington
d c um, in our time and place and what's funny

and what gives people joy now and let's get
rid of the things that.

39:09.40
Bruce Anthony

Okay, so now I have to detour how is that
how was how is okay so you're saying it's

steeped in all these traditions and you're
2 females.

39:09.92
Kathryn Zoerb

Are harmful. Oh.

39:25.31
Bruce Anthony

Basically running this and kind of changing
making it more Pc let's say that let's say

making it as a easier word. Let's make it
say making a more pc.

39:38.19
Kathryn Zoerb

I would I would argue that it's making it
funnier.

39:41.89
Bruce Anthony

Um, well I would say that when something is
less offensive. It's funnier because if you

if you're not if you're not tossing out groups
through your humor and you're bringing everybody

in that would naturally be funnier. So but
how is that being received.

39:47.76
Kathryn Zoerb

Moon.

39:57.65
Kathryn Zoerb

Yeah, or um, one one free.

40:01.48
Bruce Anthony

How's that being received from the more traditionalists.
Yeah, okay yeah.

40:04.12
Kathryn Zoerb

Oh I mean I don't know like I I know I love
it I lovingly don't care you know like um

I think ah one of my teachers. He's the founder
of faction of fools Matt Wilson um he's he's

always been like hey what can we do to like
mess around. Um, like let's let's play. Let's

what's possible. Um I'm not sure what my maestro
would think I feel I'm sure he would have

a old italian man opinions about it but he
would also be like out. Whatever so it's um,

ah yeah yeah I guess ah I don't really know
enough.

40:32.34
Bruce Anthony

A.

40:43.65
Kathryn Zoerb

Traditionalists to yeah I was going to say
that ah like but what I care about? um what

I care about are my ah my folks that are under
my care. You know that I'm.

40:45.50
Bruce Anthony

To care. That's good. That's good. Yeah, that's
good.

40:56.64
Bruce Anthony

A.

41:00.65
Kathryn Zoerb

I'm responsible for their experience and making
them making them feel like they're in a brave

space that they can ah collaborate and feel
like they can be funny and we can toss out

ideas and then be like well maybe not that
one let's move and into a different one. So

it's It's not about the. Hunting and the canceling
and the being appropriate because I think

it's also important to be inappropriate but
it's about punching up instead of punching

down like totally I know and then there's
and there's like a line between.

41:23.50
Bruce Anthony

A.

41:28.42
Bruce Anthony

Yeah, comedy is meant to push boundaries that
just not cross the line.

41:38.47
Kathryn Zoerb

Um, so in the last show we did I played a
woman who was in an assisted living facility

and she was one of my favorite characters
I've ever played. She's the main character's

mom and I can get away with it because you
know my mask is an older person and how do

you? How do you truthfully and lovingly portray
aging.

41:47.85
Bruce Anthony

A a.

41:58.16
Kathryn Zoerb

Without being agegist so because there's something
funny about aging like we're all going to

fart more and we're all Goingnna walk. You
know like we're gonna walk different and we're

gonna have aches and pains and that's funny
like life is funny like that. But how do you.

42:00.18
Bruce Anthony

Um, hey.

42:05.64
Bruce Anthony

Are. A.

42:16.63
Kathryn Zoerb

Ah, yeah, how do you do it truthfully as opposed
to just ah, go over a cheap joke.

42:18.64
Bruce Anthony

Truthfully yeah, right I get it I get it speaking
of aches and pains as we transition. You're

also a yoga instructor. Um, that's something
that some of you guys may know some of you

guys may not know you're also a yoga instructor.
How did you first discover yoga and how has

that enhanced your overall wellbeing as a
performer because you do very physical work

when you're acting so how does yoga help with
that.

42:50.19
Kathryn Zoerb

God It it has saved me. It's the only way
I can warm up before a show it grounds me

it connects me with my breath it connects
me with my body so that when my mind wants

to wander to what's.

42:53.42
Bruce Anthony

Yeah.

43:06.45
Kathryn Zoerb

What do I need to get pick up the grocery
store after I do this show or whatever doing

that warm up and connecting helps keep me
from getting injured it helps give me. Um

yeah, physically. Um and I know this is kind
of cheesy but like and emotionally right So

that I'm.

43:08.51
Bruce Anthony

Right.

43:25.24
Bruce Anthony

Um, right.

43:25.81
Kathryn Zoerb

With what I'm doing right now. Ah so for sure
you know those benefits of yoga in terms of

stretching and strengthening because a lot
of these shows like a naked Mole Rat. I'm

running for a solid hour and singing in a
big suit and I'm hot. So It's like a bunch

of Cardio. So what? what things can I do to
also help me with sustain a length of a show.

Um, yeah and I I find that teaching brings
me a joy that.

43:43.48
Bruce Anthony

Right. A.

43:58.74
Kathryn Zoerb

Performing can't I I love caring for people
and I love talking to people I think you'll

be shocked to hear I'm an extrovert but but
I know um so I love I Love my students and

I worked.

44:00.61
Bruce Anthony

Um.

44:07.69
Bruce Anthony

Really I would have never guessed.

44:18.11
Kathryn Zoerb

I worked for 8 years in restaurants and I
loved meeting people and talking to them and

when I knew now all of my like wine and beer
knowledge is replaced with anatomy but I would

love helping guide people like oh like what
can I help pair with this, you know and use

my expertise people who appreciated my expertise.

44:25.29
Bruce Anthony

Yeah, okay.

44:35.59
Bruce Anthony

A a.

44:37.66
Kathryn Zoerb

As a server but that was not a good sustainable
side hustle because not everybody sees you

as being an expert ah like I'm here to serve
you and take you through an experience. Let's

have a nice.

44:42.74
Bruce Anthony

No, no, no.

44:55.70
Kathryn Zoerb

Dinner together kind of ah yeah, so that wasn't
sustainable but I find with teaching yoga

you know, but 90% of my students do trust
me and also trust me to know my scope of practice

in terms of someone because usually.

44:57.10
Bruce Anthony

Um, anyway.

45:05.19
Bruce Anthony

Here.

45:12.56
Kathryn Zoerb

And Bruce I know you know that for all the
reasons people are really concerned to go

to the doctor or go to the hospital or get
some help so we're off in people's first line

of defense and someone they trust being like
hey like I've been having these feelings or

whatever and it's our job to be like yeah
you know I'm not a doctor.

45:29.40
Bruce Anthony

Right? Yeah, exactly.

45:31.38
Kathryn Zoerb

Time to go to one so so you know we're again
I am not a doctor but I'll tell you when you

need to go see one and I'll be like maybe
you hide these exercises but like if it doesn't

you know, get better in two weeks or whatever
you need time to go time to go see someone

and I take that very very seriously. Um, yeah.

45:36.77
Bruce Anthony

Right.

45:49.30
Bruce Anthony

Um, yeah, it is.

45:51.14
Kathryn Zoerb

Because Health care is kind of a hot mess
and we trust people whether we call our ah

ah parental figure being like hey do you think
I should do this thing like I don't know so

I I love ah helping people.

46:01.83
Bruce Anthony

Yes, yes, and and it's all all everything
that you do is about helping people whether

it's performing right? bringing joy to their
lives or or yoga helping them improve their

lives physically. You're you're doing both
so and it's in this dope. How you said that?

Basically you said yoga keeps you present
without saying that those exact words the

way you described it is yoga whenever your
mind is rest racing keeps you present keeps

you in the moment.

46:26.16
Kathryn Zoerb

Um, yeah.

46:36.25
Kathryn Zoerb

Totally.

46:37.97
Bruce Anthony

Um, which is dope I've tried meditating I
absolutely cannot do it I will do yoga by

myself in the comfort of my own home. But
it's time to plug your stuff because ladies

and Gentlemen Catherine is a yoga instructor
a damn good one and she runs a virtual. Class

can you break that down for the people out
there.

46:57.10
Kathryn Zoerb

Yeah I call them my yoga pods I started teaching
them I think July of twenty twenty I just

reached out to a bunch of my students I didn't
poach them for any of my employers out there.

It was studios that had closed or students
I knew had moved. Ah.

47:06.59
Bruce Anthony

There.

47:14.39
Kathryn Zoerb

Across the country or even just up to Towson
or whatever I would say you know hey do you

guys? Want to do some Zoom yoga or something
how does that sound and everybody really loved

it and people still love it I have a student
who joins from Hawaii and 1 from Lake Tahoe

and

47:27.42
Bruce Anthony

A.

47:31.39
Kathryn Zoerb

You know my mom comes and my aunt comes and
lots of different students. So I I do um,

kind of just to keep it going I'll do like
3 to four classes a week and people pay me

fifty bucks for the month and that includes
4 classes and they can go to whatever class

they want right? So generally.

47:39.11
Bruce Anthony

Here.

47:50.00
Kathryn Zoerb

People like the like I have a Tuesday at five
zero o'clock class like somebody likes to

do that but they might hop into my Monday
at six forty five because their schedule's

different. Um, so ah, yeah, every month is
a little different um in terms of if I'm traveling

so it's nice to be able to take a vacation
and be like okay I'm canceling this week so

this is the.

47:51.85
Bruce Anthony

Okay.

47:57.40
Bruce Anthony

A.

48:07.45
Bruce Anthony

Um, right.

48:09.41
Kathryn Zoerb

Cost for the month. Um I have some private
students who love who prefer Zoom um, which

is ah neither here nor there for me right?
I love being with my students in person but

I also would rather them do yoga than not
do yoga. So Zoom is Zoom.

48:24.97
Bruce Anthony

Exactly yeah.

48:28.46
Kathryn Zoerb

Also fine and if I can't see what someone's
doing I'm like hey I can't see that right

me, you tell me what it's doing um or whatever
else and and I still am teaching actually

through the summer a free class at George
Mason um in their plaza or the arlington campus

so that's on like Mondays at 5 Not today though.

48:31.67
Bruce Anthony

A.

48:44.98
Bruce Anthony

Um, okay yeah I don't think you don't think
you're gonna make its day.

48:48.23
Kathryn Zoerb

So tone to I'm like gonna make it you it resumes
after memorial day. But so I love meeting

new like 40 people come to that one. So it's
fun to meet you people. Yeah, it's really

cool. Um, so still teaching.

48:57.21
Bruce Anthony

Why that's really dope where could people
get information to find out your classes and

and to sign up and all that good stuff.

49:09.42
Kathryn Zoerb

Yeah, yeah, you um, had to my website which
is wwwwdotcatherinezorb.com so KATHRYNZeroER

b um and then on the.

49:22.14
Kathryn Zoerb

Think I forget the exact tab but it's something
like oh ask me a question and then that'll

go right into my email I'm happy to ah chat
and let folks know what the skinny is.

49:31.61
Bruce Anthony

So everybody if you are listening to the podcast
or if you're watching it on Youtube in the

description. All this information will be
in there. Katherine's website so you can go

ahead and jump in the descriptions jump on
our website sign up for some yoga Trust me,

it's worth it. But on that note Catherine
I want to thank you for coming on to the show

I really appreciate it. I learned a lot I
learned I learned a lot during all these interviews

but people wonder like where do I get these
these interesting people to interview I've

known Katherine now for she.

50:10.25
Kathryn Zoerb

I think you you eat my first subbing gigs.
Yeah when I first in like 2014 um I was like

hey I think I just hit you up I was like hey
do you need subs I was very hungry and you

were like yeah so that was great that was
but where were what that apartment complex.

50:10.82
Bruce Anthony

17 years yeah vibs.

50:22.76
Bruce Anthony

Yeah, ah it was in art art. No nova so Arlington
Virginia ah crystal city it would have been

neither I don't want to promote them right
now I don't know yeah I don't want to promote

those apartment buildings. But.

50:29.73
Kathryn Zoerb

Crystal city.

50:39.24
Kathryn Zoerb

Um, anyway.

50:39.50
Bruce Anthony

No yeah, um, so so it was really fun learning
about your life because I didn't really know

all the details or how you became the person
that you are so for the listening audience

and for me this was a really good. And pleasurable
learning experience learning about you and

and entertaining ah and and and I would suggest
people to actually watch it as well as listen

to it because Catherine is very physical in
the way that she answers so you guys think

I talk with my hands and move around a lot
Katherine Katherine was matching me move from

move. But but.

51:10.42
Kathryn Zoerb

Ah, oh no.

51:15.64
Bruce Anthony

Thank you, thank you for coming on the show
today.

51:18.45
Kathryn Zoerb

Yeah, thank you so much and I feel like I
didn't I don't know if I talked enough about

it but I just wanted to slide in there really
quick that um I've been very blessed and you

know I work hard and you've given me this
opportunity to promote myself and I'm so grateful

for that. But I also I don't think I can emphasize
enough how important my.

51:34.84
Bruce Anthony

And.

51:35.86
Kathryn Zoerb

Family and my friends are my husband is truly
a shining star in my life. We've been together

since we were kids eighteen we were going
on and off till we finally were like well

no, we love each other. We're married so I
couldn't you know my pair I've I've been not

not. Everyone has a support network. Ah.

51:39.49
Bruce Anthony

Oh.

51:50.36
Bruce Anthony

Um.

51:53.38
Bruce Anthony

A.

51:55.83
Kathryn Zoerb

So I I can't take that for granted and I'm
really really lucky for with my family and

friends and my husband Jordan and my dog but.

52:03.18
Bruce Anthony

Everything that gives you support helps you
grow and and be strong. You got to give the

shout out so shout out to Katherine's family
and the loved ones. This was really good.

Thank you again for showing up how.

52:06.10
Kathryn Zoerb

Um, yeah, totally yeah thanks Bruce this was
so great. Yeah, absolutely anytime.

01:32.43
Bruce Anthony

Once again I want to thank Catherine for coming
on I learned more that she has a fascinating

a more fascinating life than I thought that
she did and some of her experiences and her

travels and just. Ah, people that she's interacted
with and the things that she's done It's very

interesting and I thought she's told ah a
rare very important story me being a former

basketball player and coach ah growing up
in the era of the Allen I sense of Kobe Bryants

you know and I'm I'm um' um, often asked like
who was better kobe or Alan Ison and Alllan

Ason to tell you why Kobe was better Kobe
practiced and practice and practice nobody

worked as hard as he did and when Katherine
telling me the story of trying excelling.

To and a level of excellence in whatever she
does and learning that from our family and

watching her grandparents and her parents
and and all those people that have helped

grow her into the person that she's become.
And then you hear her her tell the story of

her greatest milestone and it's learning the
electric bass guitar with this physical comedy

and and its costumes and and that took a lot
of hard work at 8 hour practicing and going

home and practicing more.

02:57.54
Bruce Anthony

Showed you the dedication that it takes to
in order to to be excellent at something and

so if if you guys don't learn anything learn
that nothing comes without putting into work.

You got to put into work and that was I thought
that was really cool that that Katherine told

that story because. That was a prime example
of putting in that work and getting what needs

to be done done but like I said thank you
again cather for coming on the show. Hope

you guys learned something found her as fascinating
as as fascinating as I did but until next

time. Um, a holla.