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In this episode of the Sibling Happy Hour, we discuss Rihanna's amazing Superbowl performance and how it stands out in the history of Superbowl halftime shows. We also take the opportunity to celebrate Black History Month by discussing two incredible figures: Audre Lorde and Dr. Pauli Murray. We talk about their contributions to the Black community and their lasting impact on American culture and civil rights.
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bruce_anthony:
On today's
j__aundrea:
Yeah,
bruce_anthony:
episode is the sipping A hap.
j__aundrea:
Take two.
bruce_anthony:
Yeah,
j__aundrea:
That's all that is. That's all that is. Take
too.
bruce_anthony:
On today's episode is the sibling Happy Hour
with my sister J. We're talking about black
history facts, rereading the Super Bow and
just shooting breeze. But first things first,
What upsets
j__aundrea:
What up, brother.
bruce_anthony:
how you feeling To day?
j__aundrea:
I am good. We are recording this a day late.
but that's that's on me.
bruce_anthony:
It's not a day late because it's still gonna
go out today.
j__aundrea:
Okay.
bruce_anthony:
We just recorded earlier.
j__aundrea:
Got?
bruce_anthony:
We just recorded the day before recording
it instead of the night. We're recording in
the morning, and I'll edit it and put it out.
j__aundrea:
Actually,
bruce_anthony:
It's not.
j__aundrea:
Actually, I shouldn't have said nothing because
I'm in the middle of my work day
bruce_anthony:
M.
j__aundrea:
and the last thing I want is my boss to be
like your cording podcast one company time,
So
bruce_anthony:
You think you think your boss is really paying
attention to you like that?
j__aundrea:
No, I don't think any. I don't think anybody.
our work. I never mentioned that I do the
podcast at work because I don't want
bruce_anthony:
Yeah,
j__aundrea:
them listen
bruce_anthony:
okay, I
j__aundrea:
well.
bruce_anthony:
kicked of time.
j__aundrea:
I mean, I got some opinions on here
bruce_anthony:
Oh yes,
j__aundrea:
that. maybe
bruce_anthony:
well, that's the reason why we do the
j__aundrea:
a
bruce_anthony:
after hours
j__aundrea:
yeah,
bruce_anthony:
once again. here's a plug. Join our patron
page for five dollars, and you all better
join quick, because the price of the brick
is going up like you're not going to keep
getting it for five dollars.
j__aundrea:
Yeah,
bruce_anthony:
It's gonna be basically to the end of this
month in the week end, the month of February,
with five dollars where you can get the after
hours. the after our show it's uncensored.
We be talking a lot of issue on there and
my person Show talking straight ish unsensered.
We do that twice a week.
j__aundrea:
Yeah,
bruce_anthony:
It's only on our patron page. It's exclusive
to our patroon page. You can't get it nowhere
else and you get the wrong rail and
j__aundrea:
Yes,
bruce_anthony:
you miss it out because even Dad, Dad was
watching it and he was like You all cuss a
lot. You all funny, but you're all cuss a
lot and I
j__aundrea:
Yeah,
bruce_anthony:
was like Yeah, Because we
j__aundrea:
mom,
bruce_anthony:
talking
j__aundrea:
Mom called me
bruce_anthony:
H.
j__aundrea:
and said
bruce_anthony:
H.
j__aundrea:
you all have nasty mouths Special Was I said
we shoot. Don't listen. Now. what to tell
you?
bruce_anthony:
Hey, look that's hey. We give you the wrong
real. So
j__aundrea:
Apples Not fall far from the tree
bruce_anthony:
Look, they fell right there at the tree
j__aundrea:
At the tree.
bruce_anthony:
right at the base,
j__aundrea:
Didn't
bruce_anthony:
just
j__aundrea:
roll
bruce_anthony:
looking up
j__aundrea:
nowhere
bruce_anthony:
learning this from you.
j__aundrea:
right, fell right through the branches.
bruce_anthony:
So that's where we really be going in on stuff.
So I think
j__aundrea:
Hm,
bruce_anthony:
your job. I
j__aundrea:
Yeah,
bruce_anthony:
think.
j__aundrea:
no, no, no, no, they're not going to hear
that part.
bruce_anthony:
Well, I mean, let's get to it
j__aundrea:
All right,
bruce_anthony:
The Super Bowl
j__aundrea:
I thought I could go my whole life without
bruce_anthony:
Time out your whole life.
j__aundrea:
Thinking about what happened on the twelfth,
you know, and I know from the last episode
I made a prediction that the eagles
bruce_anthony:
Yeah,
j__aundrea:
were
bruce_anthony:
you
j__aundrea:
going
bruce_anthony:
show
j__aundrea:
to win.
bruce_anthony:
enough. dad.
j__aundrea:
I've been an Eagle's fan since I was sixteen
years old. and then they didn't win. That
that episode did not age well.
bruce_anthony:
No, it didn't
j__aundrea:
My prediction was wrong. You know, it was
right. Untide, maybe the last ten minutes
of the game. Ah, and that's you know. That's
the crucial tepbtit'shere's. here's Here's
what I think if you win a game, letting the
clock run out, And that's I don't like that
bruce_anthony:
That's winning.
j__aundrea:
play. I know, but I don't like that.
bruce_anthony:
Okay
j__aundrea:
And you know what, if the Eagles had done
it, I would have loved it, but since they
bruce_anthony:
Right?
j__aundrea:
didn't
bruce_anthony:
So
j__aundrea:
I
bruce_anthony:
what
j__aundrea:
don't
bruce_anthony:
do you
j__aundrea:
like.
bruce_anthony:
talking about?
j__aundrea:
Oh
bruce_anthony:
They go ronin Ronny jiggling,
j__aundrea:
Jangling. You know what, if I let her out
the room and I closed the door, then you would
hear her winding, So sometimes
bruce_anthony:
You can always just take off a collar.
j__aundrea:
I keep forgetting to do that one. come in,
baby, No, she's not listening. That's okay.
She doesn't listen to me like gentlemen. I
have literally had this dog for three years.
She just turned four on Super Bowl Sunday,
And
bruce_anthony:
That's
j__aundrea:
did,
bruce_anthony:
okay. Tell the people the truth about Rone's
birthday
j__aundrea:
I don't know when it is.
bruce_anthony:
Right
j__aundrea:
She's
bruce_anthony:
so
j__aundrea:
a Rick.
bruce_anthony:
instead of having it on the same day every
year,
j__aundrea:
She was found on the side of the road on Super
Bowl Sunday. Come here because you're geting
on my nerves, baby. I love you, but you're
geting on my nerves. I love you so much. Give
me this collar. You don't get a head that
she doesn't like being naked.
bruce_anthony:
You sound, you sound and look so much like
the young Anti right now.
j__aundrea:
Yes,
bruce_anthony:
Look if you're watching
j__aundrea:
fully
bruce_anthony:
the video.
j__aundrea:
that I have fully embraced my auntie Hood
fully and
bruce_anthony:
Oh,
j__aundrea:
am in my anti era and I love it. All I do
is listen to old school Arn, and give all
my nieces and nephews money be cash at. That's
all I do. I love it.
bruce_anthony:
Oh, that's hilarious.
j__aundrea:
Have zero complaints. I got chains on my glasses
because I
bruce_anthony:
Yeah,
j__aundrea:
love my glasses. Got little anti haircut
bruce_anthony:
Yes, you did.
j__aundrea:
fully in moti era.
bruce_anthony:
You got the hair cut like until you're gonna
be at the at the barbecue, all, baby. I'm
not gonna be able to make
j__aundrea:
I'm
bruce_anthony:
it.
j__aundrea:
not
bruce_anthony:
I'm
j__aundrea:
gonna
bruce_anthony:
going on my cruise
j__aundrea:
make
bruce_anthony:
this
j__aundrea:
it,
bruce_anthony:
year.
j__aundrea:
but you know what, Check your cash up.
bruce_anthony:
You know you all. Have you
j__aundrea:
That's
bruce_anthony:
all? have
j__aundrea:
it.
bruce_anthony:
got all the people that's listening to the
audio. You got to check us out on video. because
just the expressions, the facial expressions
that we use me constantly talking with my
hands. The stuff is funny. On
j__aundrea:
You
bruce_anthony:
Top
j__aundrea:
do?
bruce_anthony:
of the words, the visual was funny.
j__aundrea:
You don't just talk with your hands though,
Bruce, you flail
bruce_anthony:
I know
j__aundrea:
like
bruce_anthony:
I know,
j__aundrea:
you literally are just this. I wish I could
see what I'm doing, so go to the Youtube and
check it out.
bruce_anthony:
Go to the Youtube.
j__aundrea:
He flails.
bruce_anthony:
But it's it's always it's
j__aundrea:
Why are
bruce_anthony:
it's
j__aundrea:
they so high up?
bruce_anthony:
They're not high up. They just hit my face.
j__aundrea:
Bring them
bruce_anthony:
It's
j__aundrea:
down.
bruce_anthony:
not like I'm raising them above my head.
j__aundrea:
Bring them down. bring your hands down. At
least like you know, Like shoulder height
chest level.
bruce_anthony:
Wouldn't
j__aundrea:
While
bruce_anthony:
though, Because the arm rests,
j__aundrea:
here
bruce_anthony:
the arm rested right here on the chair, so
j__aundrea:
Okay,
bruce_anthony:
like they propped up on the arm rest. So you
know
j__aundrea:
I haven't.
bruce_anthony:
maybe I should get a chair that don't have
arm rest. I don't know. I'm still gonna talk
with my hands. That's just
j__aundrea:
Why
bruce_anthony:
what I do
j__aundrea:
his arm breast. They're just at a normal height.
bruce_anthony:
Well
j__aundrea:
Why are you're so high
bruce_anthony:
because
j__aundrea:
that
bruce_anthony:
I'm sitting
j__aundrea:
you have
bruce_anthony:
on the
j__aundrea:
to
bruce_anthony:
throne. I'm sitting on the throne because
I'm gonna label myself King James like, like
La Bran did. By the way, I have a whole conversation
about that on Talker Straight is once again
on our Patriot page. Look, I'm telling you,
the price of the brick
j__aundrea:
Playing
bruce_anthony:
is
j__aundrea:
games?
bruce_anthony:
going up. The price the price of the brick
is going. Were sitting out tons of content
j__aundrea:
Yeah,
bruce_anthony:
tonsso.
j__aundrea:
all doing? stop playing games.
bruce_anthony:
Unfortunately, your Philadelphia Eagles lost
j__aundrea:
We lost. You know it's okay and here's why
I feel like it's okay when I first started
watching football And you know we're from
D. C. So what games do we get? We obviously
get well. They're the commanders. Now
bruce_anthony:
Commanders now, eh,
j__aundrea:
we get the Cowboys, we get the Giants and
we get the Eagles.
bruce_anthony:
Hm,
j__aundrea:
I did it like Washington,
bruce_anthony:
No, nobody did.
j__aundrea:
a damn show. Like the Cowboys,
bruce_anthony:
No.
j__aundrea:
half of our family are Giants fans.
bruce_anthony:
Yep,
j__aundrea:
But it was something about the Eagles during
the big nab years and
bruce_anthony:
Because
j__aundrea:
that
bruce_anthony:
you had to crush on Mac nab, right.
j__aundrea:
I did not absolutely not know.
bruce_anthony:
Okay,
j__aundrea:
but,
bruce_anthony:
Yeah,
j__aundrea:
but it was the underdog status that they had
that I
bruce_anthony:
But
j__aundrea:
really
bruce_anthony:
they weren't
j__aundrea:
was drawn
bruce_anthony:
They weren't
j__aundrea:
to
bruce_anthony:
under dogs.
j__aundrea:
that year they were,
bruce_anthony:
Okay, all right,
j__aundrea:
and then our coach at the time, of course,
was Andy, Who I adore and who is the coach
of the Kansas City Chiefs. So you know what?
I'm glad Andy got a ring. I'm not that.
bruce_anthony:
He's got
j__aundrea:
Bring number two. I
bruce_anthony:
you
j__aundrea:
got.
bruce_anthony:
bring me to.
j__aundrea:
Um, but you know we got our ring, you know,
and then also,
bruce_anthony:
Oh, yeah, a few years ago you all got one.
That's
j__aundrea:
yeah,
bruce_anthony:
right.
j__aundrea:
we beat the Patriots and also you know. So
now Jason Kelsey
bruce_anthony:
Yeah,
j__aundrea:
has a ring and his brother Travis has a ring,
So that was nice and their mother was absolutely
adorable In her half Chief's half
bruce_anthony:
Yeah,
j__aundrea:
Eagles jacket, Which I kind of want. that
jacket. That jacket was fresh as hell.
bruce_anthony:
I think
j__aundrea:
I don't know if
bruce_anthony:
they
j__aundrea:
you
bruce_anthony:
had
j__aundrea:
saw
bruce_anthony:
that.
j__aundrea:
that jacket.
bruce_anthony:
No, I didn't. I think they had that specially
made for her.
j__aundrea:
Yes,
bruce_anthony:
I love the fact they love their mamma and
they
j__aundrea:
Yes,
bruce_anthony:
love each other
j__aundrea:
yes,
bruce_anthony:
so much
j__aundrea:
yes,
bruce_anthony:
so
j__aundrea:
When they
bruce_anthony:
much.
j__aundrea:
both, when they both, I've seen the video
and they both saw their mother and they just
was like Mother.
bruce_anthony:
Yeah,
j__aundrea:
I love that.
bruce_anthony:
yeah,
j__aundrea:
Yeah, it was great. It was a good game though,
but I mean hell it was. It was a good game.
bruce_anthony:
It was a good game And then also somebody
else came out of retirement. Re re returned.
j__aundrea:
Rare was not retired.
bruce_anthony:
No, she
j__aundrea:
Who are you talking about?
bruce_anthony:
reread was retired. She hain't done no music
in twenty years.
j__aundrea:
She don't have to number one. She's
bruce_anthony:
No,
j__aundrea:
a billion.
bruce_anthony:
now, when you one point four billion,
j__aundrea:
Yeah,
bruce_anthony:
I just looked it up like she's J. S is one
point three.
j__aundrea:
Yeah,
bruce_anthony:
She's at one point four.
j__aundrea:
Yes, savage by Fanti and find beauty, Sisa
sat Okay, She don't have to do nothing and
she don't. Oh nobody. nothing.
bruce_anthony:
And and she, I'm sure performed like I enjoyed
it, but she
j__aundrea:
I
bruce_anthony:
was
j__aundrea:
joyed
bruce_anthony:
definitely.
j__aundrea:
it.
bruce_anthony:
She was definitely performing like. Hey, here,
you'll go ahead and take this real fast and
this is all you get
j__aundrea:
Well, listen, okay, I get you know, Beyond
say, will be pregnant and jumping around and
heels and stuff, But that's beyond saying.
she's literally one in a million and Ran is
also one in a million, And
bruce_anthony:
Right.
j__aundrea:
I love that Riana is a different type of Deva
and she's like You'll gonna get what I gave
you type.
bruce_anthony:
Uh,
j__aundrea:
And that's I feel that in my spirit,
bruce_anthony:
Right.
j__aundrea:
and and I Solutely love it. I love the show.
Some people said she was giving us reproductive
justice. I don't think. I think that was just
her birth story. I mean, it was clear like
she was in red and there was little white
hooded people swarming all around
bruce_anthony:
Oh,
j__aundrea:
her.
bruce_anthony:
you know what,
j__aundrea:
I think it was just her announcing that she's
pregnant again. That's what. I think.
bruce_anthony:
And then, a sap of a blood. that could just
be that he's a blood.
j__aundrea:
No, No, it was definitely sperm and her
bruce_anthony:
Okay,
j__aundrea:
at first she was up above the. There was.
There's a tick tock of a lady going through
the different stages and then they swarmed
around her and then and then the cape was
on and it was a whole thing
bruce_anthony:
Uh,
j__aundrea:
so, but yeah, there was a. There was definitely
a theme to it.
bruce_anthony:
I didn't pick up on it. I was just looking
at. Er,
j__aundrea:
Yeah, I mean she was gorgeous.
bruce_anthony:
Always has been.
j__aundrea:
She was gorgeous and pregnant and glowing,
and she won't you all damp that. And now that
she's pregnant again, you're not gonna get
that album. You're not gonna get it like,
you're just not gonna get it.
bruce_anthony:
No,
j__aundrea:
She's not gonna do it.
bruce_anthony:
I don't think she needs to make any more music.
She's made enough I conic music that
j__aundrea:
Yeah,
bruce_anthony:
she's good.
j__aundrea:
yeah,
bruce_anthony:
She's got so many number one hits
j__aundrea:
yeah,
bruce_anthony:
like she's good.
j__aundrea:
yeah,
bruce_anthony:
And am I a Reina fan? I mean, Yeah, I guess
I'm a Reina fan because I listened to her
music.
j__aundrea:
Yeah,
bruce_anthony:
Um, yeah, I'm a Rien fan because I'm gonna
be on fan and I don't know why the two always
have to be compared. They don't need to be
compared. They could live separately.
j__aundrea:
They're very
bruce_anthony:
That
j__aundrea:
different.
bruce_anthony:
could be mutually exclusive.
j__aundrea:
You're
bruce_anthony:
Yeah,
j__aundrea:
getting. You're getting a different sound.
You're getting a different vive. They're very
different. I don't even know why I compare
them just now. I don't know.
bruce_anthony:
Yeah,
j__aundrea:
I think
bruce_anthony:
I
j__aundrea:
because
bruce_anthony:
mean because
j__aundrea:
they
bruce_anthony:
you do it
j__aundrea:
formed pregnant.
bruce_anthony:
and they both have a connection with J. S.
j__aundrea:
Yeah,
bruce_anthony:
J. S is the. I know you're gonna kill me for
saying this. J is his son in which state orbit,
because he kind of he definitely put Ribon,
j__aundrea:
Yes,
bruce_anthony:
and Bence has only
j__aundrea:
her.
bruce_anthony:
grown bigger. Yeah, and Bianca s only grown
bigger through her association with J. S.
j__aundrea:
I don't believe. I wholehearted
bruce_anthony:
Heard
j__aundrea:
disagree.
bruce_anthony:
as a sole artist, She wasn't you seem to forget.
after she left Destiny's Child, she was kind
of floating. Remember, she was active for
a while and nobody even brings that up any
more. She was acting for a while.
j__aundrea:
Well, that's because, listen and please don't
get at me,
bruce_anthony:
Uh,
j__aundrea:
because I know how you are. You like to tustle.
Um, but the truth is she plays herself. She
plays a beautiful singer in every film that
she does. I mean,
bruce_anthony:
Not in
j__aundrea:
and
bruce_anthony:
not Austin Powers,
j__aundrea:
yes, golden, she was singing and she was beautiful
bruce_anthony:
Uh,
j__aundrea:
in the beginning
bruce_anthony:
she's always beautiful.
j__aundrea:
Gold, Gold is gold. she was singing and she
was a beautiful singer. In that, as
bruce_anthony:
You want to? You want her to be Johnnie Deppanhiter
beauty, Johnny Dep is the only one that's
always changing his face.
j__aundrea:
She only did that one movie,
bruce_anthony:
Yeah,
j__aundrea:
I can't remember the name of it, but it was
with Idrasllba and he had like a stalker.
Something that was trying to that, was in
love with him and trying to take his place,
And Bence played his wife, and she beat the
hell out that girl at the end. That was the
only movie that I can remember, but Catala
records
bruce_anthony:
Yeah, okay, you're
j__aundrea:
all
bruce_anthony:
right.
j__aundrea:
of that. I mean, What's the dream girls? All
that? I mean. she's playing a beautiful singer
all the time. It's not that
bruce_anthony:
I'm just
j__aundrea:
I met.
bruce_anthony:
saying her single career wasn't really popping
until her and J S got together because J Z
at that time was a bigger star.
j__aundrea:
Yes. I would say yes. She did use him for
Cloud initially, but the career that she's
built.
bruce_anthony:
That's that's all her. I'm just saying,
j__aundrea:
Yeah,
bruce_anthony:
I'm just saying He kind of gave he gave her
a boost
j__aundrea:
Yes, they did a
bruce_anthony:
because
j__aundrea:
couple collapse together in the beginning
and yeah, okay, I agree with that and then
Rena. I've been a fan since some ponder re
play. Okay
bruce_anthony:
Uh,
j__aundrea:
because
bruce_anthony:
uh,
j__aundrea:
just lot that I was like, just a little. What
was this? Okay?
bruce_anthony:
But you know what I love about ran people
people. I guess I don't think people really
were true friends of Rana. The ones that are
complaining about her performance, Because
there are some people that complaining about
a performance like she ain't
j__aundrea:
M.
bruce_anthony:
really doing nothing once she was pregnant,
and
j__aundrea:
yeah,
bruce_anthony:
too like Rena really never really does it
that she always acts like and it might not
be. an actor might be reared that she is completely
unbothered. That's kind
j__aundrea:
Yes,
bruce_anthony:
of her personality.
j__aundrea:
yeah,
bruce_anthony:
So
j__aundrea:
which
bruce_anthony:
I was
j__aundrea:
is
bruce_anthony:
like
j__aundrea:
a kind of a dick.
bruce_anthony:
I say that she.
j__aundrea:
Yeah,
bruce_anthony:
I said, in my talking straight issue She has
r. B. F.
j__aundrea:
No, like she really said some some some wild
stuff on Twitter. Sometimes,
bruce_anthony:
Oh, I will follow on to. so
j__aundrea:
yeah,
bruce_anthony:
I guess I know.
j__aundrea:
yeah,
bruce_anthony:
What should we saying?
j__aundrea:
An is kind of an internet, but sometimes
bruce_anthony:
I can see that.
j__aundrea:
she could be a dick, but you know that's also
part of her appeal Is like she
bruce_anthony:
Yeah,
j__aundrea:
care. She will clap back and she does not
care, And that's
bruce_anthony:
And I bet
j__aundrea:
part of her appeal.
bruce_anthony:
I bet people that know her know her. but like
you know, she's he sweetest person in the
world,
j__aundrea:
Yeah, probably
bruce_anthony:
But I love.
j__aundrea:
I have that. I mean, I have that syndrome
of like, I'm nice to the people that I care
about. But if I don't care about you, I mean,
I really don't care. You will be talking and
half way through what you're saying, walking
off because I don't
bruce_anthony:
Wait a bit. I ain't never seen you do that
to people.
j__aundrea:
Right, because I care about you. You are my
bruce_anthony:
No,
j__aundrea:
brother.
bruce_anthony:
I'm not talking. I'm talking about with other
people like I've been around you and other
people, and like we worked together for years,
so I've never saw you treating nobody like
that.
j__aundrea:
Uh, yeah, go back and ask the people at heart
Rock how my attitude was.
bruce_anthony:
Okay,
j__aundrea:
No, it was very much of. I'm setting these
people, and please get the hell out my face.
I don't know how many people I told to get
the hell out my host. And
bruce_anthony:
Yah.
j__aundrea:
like I don't care about hat, you talk about
that. There was one guy we worked with. Initially,
you, you felt threatened by him because he
was a new attractive black guy.
bruce_anthony:
Oh, you always love telling this story
j__aundrea:
Yes, but
bruce_anthony:
and I and I never felt threatened by.
j__aundrea:
You did. You said something
bruce_anthony:
No.
j__aundrea:
about it
bruce_anthony:
what I say about it.
j__aundrea:
when you first got there. You was like I don't
like this.
bruce_anthony:
Uh,
j__aundrea:
You said something, but it was just very of
bruce_anthony:
I did. I did that.
j__aundrea:
green eyes. That was the only thing that was
really the only difference. Both of all was
tall, black man who look it, but he had green
eyes and that was the difference. And but
talking to him was like watching paint dry,
so I literally would just ignore this man
because I didn't want to get trapped in a
conversation with him.
bruce_anthony:
A.
j__aundrea:
Talk to me. I say it because you're born and
I walked away. I'm very protective
bruce_anthony:
M.
j__aundrea:
of my time.
bruce_anthony:
M,
j__aundrea:
Don't waste my time.
bruce_anthony:
My right. We're getting sidetracked.
j__aundrea:
Yes,
bruce_anthony:
Let's go back to reread.
j__aundrea:
yes,
bruce_anthony:
I enjoyed the performance. I was happy about
the performance. I don't understand. I think
some people just want to complain just to
complain
j__aundrea:
Yeah,
bruce_anthony:
because it was
j__aundrea:
they
bruce_anthony:
complaining
j__aundrea:
were going to complain
bruce_anthony:
about.
j__aundrea:
regardless.
bruce_anthony:
Yeah, they were gonna put because everybody
says that the super ve can to woke. That's
another subject that we're gonna talk about
that in the after. I was sure we aint gonna
talk about it right here
j__aundrea:
Yeah,
bruce_anthony:
because I got some things already said
j__aundrea:
I
bruce_anthony:
it
j__aundrea:
got
bruce_anthony:
on my
j__aundrea:
cuss
bruce_anthony:
talking
j__aundrea:
about
bruce_anthony:
is.
j__aundrea:
that
bruce_anthony:
Yeah, I said some stuff on my talking is show,
but I got more to say So once again, Jon Patro
on page, because I keep telling you all the
price of the brick.
j__aundrea:
Turns the
bruce_anthony:
and if
j__aundrea:
side.
bruce_anthony:
you don't understand what I say when I say
the price of the brick, that's that you know
the brick. That's a drug dealing term. Not
to say, we drunk. we ain't drunk is, but it's
a drug deal in terms, And the brick
j__aundrea:
I
bruce_anthony:
is
j__aundrea:
was thinking
bruce_anthony:
that keloococane.
j__aundrea:
about it.
bruce_anthony:
Don't think about it, And that brick is that
Kala, the cocaine and the price of the brick
is going up, meaning the price of the membership
is going to go up, because it's too
j__aundrea:
Hm.
bruce_anthony:
much content that we're giving out At this
price. But I wanted give it that this price
because the day wins people that's been sticking
with us. You know this is.
j__aundrea:
Yeah,
bruce_anthony:
this is our twenty first. Where this is the
twenty first, Unsolicited perspectives show.
j__aundrea:
That's nice. It can drink now, right,
bruce_anthony:
Well, actually, it's the twenty second, but
that first one.
j__aundrea:
Um,
bruce_anthony:
You know what I'm
j__aundrea:
kay.
bruce_anthony:
You know what I'm gonna edit. Re, edit that
first one and put it on the patroon page.
That's
j__aundrea:
Yes,
bruce_anthony:
that's That's what I'm gonna do.
j__aundrea:
No one did you keep talking about about the
sound being bad and everybody?
bruce_anthony:
Yeah,
j__aundrea:
What was that show?
bruce_anthony:
look, I can finally fix the sound so
j__aundrea:
Yes,
bruce_anthony:
I just need to find that file. It's on
j__aundrea:
Yeah,
bruce_anthony:
the other computer. I just need to find that
file and go ahead and do that.
j__aundrea:
Put it out there.
bruce_anthony:
Ah, put it out there. But yeah, we'll talk
about that other stuff about the super that
people criticize in the Super Bowl being too
woke on the after hours episode because
j__aundrea:
Yeah.
bruce_anthony:
I got. Hey, J. I got some things to say, but
any final
j__aundrea:
Yeah.
bruce_anthony:
thoughts
j__aundrea:
I mean.
bruce_anthony:
on reread
j__aundrea:
yeah, I mean for the people who are like,
she didn't do much. First of all, Rianna is
not a dancer.
bruce_anthony:
Never has been.
j__aundrea:
Never has been.
bruce_anthony:
She does
j__aundrea:
Um,
bruce_anthony:
gyrations that make
j__aundrea:
Yes,
bruce_anthony:
you. That makes the crowd pop.
j__aundrea:
Yes, her songs are bobs. You can dance, too,
but she herself is not a dancer. And my thing
is, you wouldn't expect if like Adele was
doing the Super Bowl, that she would be out
there, pop Lock and dropping like you wouldn't
expect it. So I don't know again. I think
it's people conflating her with performers
like beans,
bruce_anthony:
Hm,
j__aundrea:
and I'm like, No, she's different. She's a
different bibe. It's going to be a different
performance. I think anybody who has seen
her perform will be like, Oh yeah, this makes
this whole show makes sense. If you think
about how Riana is, Plus she's pregnant,
bruce_anthony:
Right,
j__aundrea:
plus she don't get. really. Go down by Don.
Al.
bruce_anthony:
Not not a one. not a single one.
j__aundrea:
Yeah, you got the show You got. It was high
concept and it was cool. the platforms like
just
bruce_anthony:
M.
j__aundrea:
the choreography of the platforms going up.
And the thing it was cool. I thought
bruce_anthony:
It was dangerous too.
j__aundrea:
No, they were all harnessed in.
bruce_anthony:
I don't care.
j__aundrea:
I wouldn't have done it.
bruce_anthony:
Yeah, I wouldn't have
j__aundrea:
I
bruce_anthony:
done
j__aundrea:
would
bruce_anthony:
it.
j__aundrea:
have done it, and I'm gonna tell you, some
half the people, eighty eight percent of of
people who was talking cash is a bout. that
show wouldn't have got on them down platforms.
either.
bruce_anthony:
Oh,
j__aundrea:
Ah,
bruce_anthony:
no,
j__aundrea:
no,
bruce_anthony:
I don't know if you could pay me enough to
go up and down like that.
j__aundrea:
But Rana got her pregnant behind up on the
platforms for you and you got the nerve. the
goal.
bruce_anthony:
Don't even get paid for it.
j__aundrea:
The
bruce_anthony:
Doing
j__aundrea:
audacity
bruce_anthony:
it for the doing it for the culture.
j__aundrea:
doing it for the love of you. For the nerve
for you, And you, who got the goal? The audacity
bruce_anthony:
M. M.
j__aundrea:
Where do you get off? We love you, Riana.
bruce_anthony:
Let
j__aundrea:
re.
bruce_anthony:
you re read. All right Is keeping up with
our black history. Then we're going to talk
about Audrey Lord. Now
j__aundrea:
Hm,
bruce_anthony:
I know you know about Audrey Lord. I
j__aundrea:
I
bruce_anthony:
know
j__aundrea:
do.
bruce_anthony:
a little bit about Ude Lord. I wonder if the
people know about Audrey Lad, and if you don't
know about Audrlod, we're goin. give you some
of the facts. So just a little bit about her.
She was born in nineteen thirty four. She
lived until nineteen ninety two. She was born
in Harlem, Us,
j__aundrea:
Hallam, baby,
bruce_anthony:
After the black write, after the Holland renissence,
She didn't really grow up. I mean, she kind
of grew up during the Holland renasence, but
not really. She was born to Coribian immigrant
parents. She was a black feminist poets, Civil
Rice actress. She was known for her contributions
in the feminist movement and her writing on
race, ginger, sexuality and social justice.
She didn't coin the phrase That is actually
on one of our podcasts that I missed. I missed
That. I know you hate to wear my speak, but
I misspoke and said
j__aundrea:
Hm,
bruce_anthony:
it was inter sexuality.
j__aundrea:
Yes,
bruce_anthony:
What I call it?
j__aundrea:
I think you did.
bruce_anthony:
Yeah, I said it was intersexuality,
j__aundrea:
Yes,
bruce_anthony:
but its intersection ality section,
j__aundrea:
yes,
bruce_anthony:
not sexuality,
j__aundrea:
yes,
bruce_anthony:
Um. She attending Hunder college, She later
earned a masses degree in library science
at Columbia University. Right end. She started
publishing poetry in nineteen sixties. She
did a lot of stuff as far as arguing about
the women's movement and making sure that
it was all inclusive. In other words, the
feminist movement you've talked about this
often and you can get into more and depth
about how the Fimins Move movement is divided
in the sections right. It's people
j__aundrea:
M.
bruce_anthony:
of color and then there, white women. They're
fighting
j__aundrea:
Yeah,
bruce_anthony:
for the same things, but not in the same way
and not together. And she was expressing this
all the way back in Sixty Was like you, We're
all fighting for the same things. Don't piece
us out, Becaus. You don't want to include
this. We all need to be included in this fight.
So she's a. She's a pioneer, as far as what
she was fighting for, And she was the first
one because she was a lesbian. She was the
first one fighting for the l, g b T community,
specifically the Q community, and Trans, because
They've been marginalized since since the
beginning, like since the since since the
beginning of the beginning, Like and here
we are. She's talking
j__aundrea:
Dave.
bruce_anthony:
about the right they won and not they on membership
on our patron page like they
j__aundrea:
Oh
bruce_anthony:
won
j__aundrea:
my God,
bruce_anthony:
if
j__aundrea:
and
bruce_anthony:
I
j__aundrea:
I'm
bruce_anthony:
pluck.
j__aundrea:
getting tired of that now. Yeah,
bruce_anthony:
But but she was talking about this in the
sixes on is funny. The things that she was
talking bout fighting for are still things
that we're talking about and fighting for
now. And
j__aundrea:
Hm,
bruce_anthony:
I know you. you really love a lot of her works.
Do you have the Sister outsider or the cancer
j__aundrea:
You
bruce_anthony:
journals?
j__aundrea:
have a copy. I do have a copy of Sister outside
or yes,
bruce_anthony:
What is that about? Can you tell people what
that is about and what she? You know, what
she was trying to convey in some of her books,
j__aundrea:
Yeah, so Sister Outsider is actually a collection
of some of her essays, and as well as well
as some of her speeches,
bruce_anthony:
M.
j__aundrea:
and there is different different things that
she talks about in there, but it's mostly
centered around the need for high lighting.
the voices of marginalized groups, especially
within feminism, Um, a real. One of her Most
famous essays, The Master's Tools will never
dismantle The Master's House,
bruce_anthony:
Yes,
j__aundrea:
talked
bruce_anthony:
that.
j__aundrea:
about making sure that races theory is included
in feminist theory, and that the eraser of
race within feminism is Um, not really serving
anybody,
bruce_anthony:
Hm.
j__aundrea:
and that we can't S the same white supremasis
tools to combat feminism because it leaves
a large section of women out. so
bruce_anthony:
You know. that's an interesting concept and
me being the historian, as you like to put.
No, I'm not a history major. I'm a historian.
j__aundrea:
Yes,
bruce_anthony:
That the reason why the civil Rights Act was
passed before the Voting Rights Act is because
L. B J realized that he had to piece meal
in order to get it passed. That it was asking
for too much all the same time, and there
were a lot of black activis at the time. There
were like No, we need all of this It now and
he was saying, Look, we're gonna. You're gonna
get all of it, but you ain't gonna get all
of it right now, so I'm wondering if that
was an attitude of a lot of white America
during this time that we're fighting fool
rights, like the white feminists who were
eliminating race from that feminist movement
where they saying to themselves, whether subconsciously
or or not that Hey look, we got to get this
thing done for us first, and when we Get it
done for us, we're gonna pull you ahead. I
don't know if that's the right strategy, but
I know it did work for L. B. J. And but the
only problem is is we're not. We don't want
to wait. no more. we don't want. We don't
want to wait no more. we want it now,
j__aundrea:
Yeah,
bruce_anthony:
But it's funny when you go through out history.
I'm not saying which one is right and which
one is wrong. I'm just saying there's different
ways to look at it, but to also l. B, J. H
Plan. he said, I'm gonna do this and then
I'm gonna do that. I wonder if those white
fitmanists who were eliminating race from
the issue had that plan as well, Or was it
just like Hey were just looking out for ourselves?
j__aundrea:
I wish that I could tell you
bruce_anthony:
I wish I could have
j__aundrea:
what.
bruce_anthony:
the answer. I mean, it's just we won't know
the answer right, like we would have to go
back in time and ain't neither one of us can
the conqueror, So we would have to go back
in time and ask them an interview. and who
knows if they would even be truthful or not,
but I'm just it's just a thought.
j__aundrea:
Yeah, you're back again, so I wish I could
tell you. I heard what you said. I did not,
but
bruce_anthony:
Uh.
j__aundrea:
because it was an issue with the internet
and I didn't
bruce_anthony:
Oh,
j__aundrea:
hear none of that so, but it did say that
it recorded. normally,
bruce_anthony:
Yeah,
j__aundrea:
Um,
bruce_anthony:
I told
j__aundrea:
your
bruce_anthony:
you
j__aundrea:
video
bruce_anthony:
the program
j__aundrea:
went out again.
bruce_anthony:
the program does record. Normally.
j__aundrea:
Yes,
bruce_anthony:
Yeah, your internet is wayshotty right now
as probably because.
j__aundrea:
No, I am. My internet is amazing. I don't
know what it's you. It's not me
bruce_anthony:
Oh, you know it. it is me, because the ethon
that fell out.
j__aundrea:
There
bruce_anthony:
O.
j__aundrea:
you go with that back end. I didn't. You Probably
made an excellent point just now. I don't
know what it was, But you know what. That's
That's you know. Internet,
bruce_anthony:
All right,
j__aundrea:
that's podcast
bruce_anthony:
What was?
j__aundrea:
that's recording
bruce_anthony:
what was the last thing that you heard?
j__aundrea:
live
bruce_anthony:
What was the
j__aundrea:
Still
bruce_anthony:
last thing you heard?
j__aundrea:
can't understand you whatsoever. You sure
you plugged at thing that back in?
bruce_anthony:
Yeah, now because I'm looking at it right
now.
j__aundrea:
Huh?
bruce_anthony:
Yeah,
j__aundrea:
Nope,
bruce_anthony:
I'm looking at it right now. Then it's not
me. then it's you.
j__aundrea:
It's not me, man,
bruce_anthony:
Is Adam working right now?
j__aundrea:
Huh,
bruce_anthony:
Is Adam working right now?
j__aundrea:
No,
bruce_anthony:
Are you signed on to your
j__aundrea:
I don't.
bruce_anthony:
work computer?
j__aundrea:
I don't see you at all. My work computer is
plugged into the ether net. My computers got
full bars on here, Man,
bruce_anthony:
Well, I'm tagged in. What was the last thing
that you heard?
j__aundrea:
You started to talk about L. B, J, but you
made a whole point. I ain't hear
bruce_anthony:
All
j__aundrea:
none
bruce_anthony:
right?
j__aundrea:
of it.
bruce_anthony:
Can you hear me now?
j__aundrea:
Yes, I just can't
bruce_anthony:
Okay,
j__aundrea:
see,
bruce_anthony:
all right. I'll cut all of this out. That's
not that big ideal, so
j__aundrea:
And
bruce_anthony:
let
j__aundrea:
now
bruce_anthony:
me go
j__aundrea:
your
bruce_anthony:
back
j__aundrea:
audio
bruce_anthony:
to it.
j__aundrea:
went out again. Let me No, my wife, my wife
is strong broth.
bruce_anthony:
Let me cancel this and then start it up again,
j__aundrea:
Okay,
bruce_anthony:
All right?
j__aundrea:
all right?
bruce_anthony:
All right back to what I was saying about
l. l B J. Because you had some technical difficulties,
you tried to
j__aundrea:
Hm,
bruce_anthony:
play it on my end in that, but it was it was
yours.
j__aundrea:
It was me. it was me. You know, I take that
all right.
bruce_anthony:
All right. So basically what I was saying
about L B J was It's funny when you look at
Uhaurdrew Lord, and expressing how you can't
take the racial element out of the feminist
movement,
j__aundrea:
Hm,
bruce_anthony:
and L B J had to break up the civil rights
in the Voting Rights Act, because he knew
as a complete package would be passed would
not be passed. So what he did was he passed
the Civil Rights Act. First, he peacemaled
it, and
j__aundrea:
Hm,
bruce_anthony:
then did the voting righ To act, And black
activenis at the time were like, No, You need
to do both of them at the same time, and he
was saying, Look, these dixicrats is not gonna
go for that.
j__aundrea:
Right,
bruce_anthony:
I got to get them a little bit, then wait
a little bit longer, and then get the other
one past. I can get them both past, But you've
got to be patient, And then when I was saying
it was like, I wonder subconsciously or not
if some of the white feminists who were taking
race out of it, we're doing kind of the same
thing. Hey, we're gonna get ours first and
then we're gonna bring you long.
j__aundrea:
No,
bruce_anthony:
I don't know. I don't. That's what I'm saying.
I don't think that was the case.
j__aundrea:
No, because the suffrage movement for women's
right to vote was extremely races, and that's
why you
bruce_anthony:
M.
j__aundrea:
have sojourner Truth with her famous speech.
Ain't I a woman? Because
bruce_anthony:
M.
j__aundrea:
they are being left out because poor women,
black women, queer women. Of course, that
wasn't in the time of sojourn or truth. That
wasn't
bruce_anthony:
Yeah,
j__aundrea:
we want to
bruce_anthony:
right,
j__aundrea:
talk about that, but Audrey Lord was, we're
being left out of the conversation. But This
is a common thing that happens to black women
when we talk about
bruce_anthony:
Yeah,
j__aundrea:
feminism. That we're talking about white women.
When we talk about racial justice, we're talking
about black men. So when we talk about l,
g, B, T. Q, were again talking about white
gaze, So this is a common thing of black women
and fames being left out of the conversation.
So
bruce_anthony:
Yeah,
j__aundrea:
yeah, but I'll read a short Quote from the
Master's Tools wil never dismantle the Master's
House Age Lord writes, those of us who stand
outside the circle of society's definition
of acceptable women, those of
bruce_anthony:
M,
j__aundrea:
us who have been forged in the crucibles of
difference, Those of us who are poor who are
lesbian who re black who are older, know that
survival is not an academic skill. It is learning
how to take our differen Is and make them
strength. for the master's tools will never
dismantle the master's house. They may allow
us to temporarily beat him at his own game,
but they will never enable us to bring about
genuine change. It is this fact, Um, and this
fact is only threatening to those women who
define the Master's house as their only source
of support which you had.
bruce_anthony:
M.
j__aundrea:
You had a friend talk to you. Um, a white
woman. That's a friend of yours who said?
What did she say something about?
bruce_anthony:
Are you gonna make me bring out the quote
again? Hold on.
j__aundrea:
You? Got the Oh, you got it on deck.
bruce_anthony:
Yeah, I mean it. it's in my text messages,
so it is. Don't take that long to find it,
but I need you to kill some time
j__aundrea:
Uh.
bruce_anthony:
as I try and find it, so keep keep on going.
j__aundrea:
Well, anyway, we were talking about this as
we were talking about the show topics, and
that the work of women like Audrey Lord and
Kimberley Crenshaw, who actually was the person
who coined the phrase intersectionality in
the in the eighties, and the work of women
like Bell Hooks are what led to third wave
feminism. Um, you have first and second wave
feminism That really didn't incorporate intersectionality
in these. These other Ways of being different
that act on people at the same time it didn't.
It was really You have books like and I remember
being in a woman's studies class And we read
this book. It was the feminine mistake and
I was in this women studies class and it was
all white women and me and we read The Feminine
Mistake and the feminine mistake is all is
a collection of interviews of basically middle
and upper class white women college educ Ted,
who were experiencing this kind of males because
they were relegated to the home. They were
relegated to
bruce_anthony:
Hm.
j__aundrea:
being housewives. This is. you know. This
is the forties and fifties. I believe so they
could only be secretaries, teachers or housewives,
and most of them
bruce_anthony:
Right.
j__aundrea:
when you get to a certain economic status,
your housewife right, And they're like we
went to college and we did all these things
and all we get to be is housewives and we're
all depressed and we did a little round table
and everybody Talked about it and it got to
me and I said, this is the dumbest thing I've
ever read in my entire life.
bruce_anthony:
Oh,
j__aundrea:
I said because black women have always been
outside of the home, always since we landed
on these shores, black women have always worked
outside of the home for other people, And
this doesn't take into account poor people
who have to work. This doesn't take into account
uneducated people. This is the most biased
piece of Literature I've ever read.
bruce_anthony:
What was the response to that?
j__aundrea:
The professor was like Exactly Next. We're
talking about intersectionality, So I was
bruce_anthony:
Wow?
j__aundrea:
the only one there.
bruce_anthony:
right
j__aundrea:
They were like. Yeah, My grandma used to have
the same issue was like. Yeah, not mine. She
always worked.
bruce_anthony:
Right. So I found the quote,
j__aundrea:
Okay.
bruce_anthony:
my friend, said, White women will always protect
white mail supremacy because they still benefit
from the closeness to the power of the husbands,
brothers and dads.
j__aundrea:
Exactly so because you are still operating
within that white supremsis framework, even
while you're trying to separate yourself from
sex, ism right that you're facing. you're
still using the tools of a white supremacies
framework, which is excluding and erasing
the voices of other women. And it's not just
black women, Is all women of color as women
of different economic status, older women,
Young women. It's the differently abled is
all its queer women. It's all of that that
bruce_anthony:
Well,
j__aundrea:
you
bruce_anthony:
Audrey
j__aundrea:
are
bruce_anthony:
Lord,
j__aundrea:
dismissing.
bruce_anthony:
right, well, Audrey Lord, That was some of
her major points like she made it a real point
of emphasis
j__aundrea:
Hm,
bruce_anthony:
of arguing the important and embracing and
celebrating diversity, rather than trying
to erase it and make everybody the same. And
it is that that conflict
j__aundrea:
Hm,
bruce_anthony:
that American conflict where people come here
and they're taught to assimilate
j__aundrea:
Right,
bruce_anthony:
to succeed. But when you assimilate, maybe
you succeed, but you lose a sense of yourself
j__aundrea:
Hm,
bruce_anthony:
And that's that's what. everything about America
is borrowed. it. There's nothing that's truly
our own,
j__aundrea:
Regt.
bruce_anthony:
And it is because people have come here and
I shared their diversity.
j__aundrea:
Hm,
bruce_anthony:
I mean, we'll bascardize it like Italian food
is not the. American. Italian food is not
Italian food,
j__aundrea:
Not
bruce_anthony:
like
j__aundrea:
even close.
bruce_anthony:
Mexican food. Like you know, I say to somebody
a year now We're gonna celebrate Niche de
Marie. Were you gonna go to Taco Bell? No,
j__aundrea:
No,
bruce_anthony:
that's that's not celebrating it
j__aundrea:
Literally,
bruce_anthony:
So
j__aundrea:
a white man with no Mexican heritage, he wanted
to come up with a different way to do the
hamburger. And so he did the taco, And that's
all Taco Bell Is, it's nothing. no Mexican
connection at all. No,
bruce_anthony:
Okay. That didn't know that,
j__aundrea:
yes,
bruce_anthony:
So her work is so vital
j__aundrea:
Yes,
bruce_anthony:
and important and should be celebrated more
so than it is now. because I think a lot of
people really don't know who she was and didn't
understand how much of a trail blazer for
the things that she was talking about sixty
years ago,
j__aundrea:
Yeah,
bruce_anthony:
almost sixty five years ago, right sixty years
ago, and how vital and important That fight
continues on today, which is incredible. that
still fighting for literally the same things
which is important that people like her are
forgotten, and it is also important to understand
her awards. she won award, she won an American
book award.
j__aundrea:
Hm.
bruce_anthony:
She had a fellowship from the National Endowment
of Arts. She had the Audrelid project. After
she passed away, Is a community organization
center for the L, g, B, T, Q. community and
people of color Was founded in her honor in
New York City. Like to say that she isn't
honored, Isn't completely the truth, but she
isn't celebrated as much as she should be,
and we shouldn't solely celebrate her just
in black history one, but also because its
Black history month, we're gonna give you
a little bit of game and tell you who who
and what she is, and what she about
j__aundrea:
I think that's fantastic. Yeah.
bruce_anthony:
You say. That's it for the day right. That's
the way that gave him. That gave him the wrong
rail. And that's it
j__aundrea:
Well, I had somebody I'm actually reading
currently reading a book about her.
bruce_anthony:
Okay?
j__aundrea:
I'm reading her. Well, I'm reading their autobiography
and it is a okay. so I'm trying to think of
how best to introduce a person who is extremely
vital to Um. civil rights Law. A lot of the
Supreme Court cases that gave black people
the rights that they have today. their name
is Polly Murray, Um. Polly was a lawyer and
a gender equity advocate. I had never heard
of Polly Murray. I don't even remember how
I came across Polly Murray. Um, but something.
I don't remember how I came across Polly Mur,
But I bought her autobiography or her big.
No, it is her autobiography immediately because
I had to know who this person was. Her work
in law and theory is the groundwork that people
like Third Good Marshal used in a lot of land
mark cases, Including. I think I heard about
her due to Rove Wade, Because her work, her
theory at the time now, remember this is a
person. Well, you know
bruce_anthony:
What time frame are we talking about?
j__aundrea:
we are talking about. She was born in nineteen
ten. So we're
bruce_anthony:
Oh, we.
j__aundrea:
talking about somebody who was active during
the thirties and forties. Ed. Okay, and so
Pauli Murray is queer, She he? they? Damn,
I'm struggling. they were. I want to say non
binary.
bruce_anthony:
Hm,
j__aundrea:
They would be an appropriate use of. I think
they would be the appropriate pronoun. Um.
bruce_anthony:
They them.
j__aundrea:
They then was non binary Um. They were, did
their graduate the post graduate work at Harvard
Law School at Howard, So she went to.
bruce_anthony:
M.
j__aundrea:
They went to both. J. S received her doctor
It in juraditial science from Yale,
bruce_anthony:
Oh,
j__aundrea:
Uh, incrredibly
bruce_anthony:
who?
j__aundrea:
brilliant, and was really working on Racial
and racial equity, and and Um, women's rights
civil rights, writing a lot of legal theory
at a time where people like them were not,
were completely dismissed.
bruce_anthony:
Absolutely you're talking about the thirties
and forties.
j__aundrea:
Er, yes,
bruce_anthony:
I mean, Andrew Lord didn't really start writing
about that stuff until the sixties,
j__aundrea:
Yes,
bruce_anthony:
so she wasn't writing about that in the thirties
and forties, So this is this, pre dates Audrey
Lord,
j__aundrea:
Um, Co, founder of the National Organization
for Women,
bruce_anthony:
M,
j__aundrea:
M, appointed by President John F. Kennedy
to serve in the Presidential Commission on
the Status of Women. She, Ruth Baiter, Ginsburg
named her as the Co offer of an a c L. U.
brief on the landmark Supreme Court case Read
V Read, which says that administrators of
estates cannot discriminate between sexes,
so a lot of ground break. I mean, her theory
is what all of these people Used in these
landmark Supreme Court cases at a time where
they were being completely dismissed and laughed
at. For these theories,
bruce_anthony:
So they would be considered the
j__aundrea:
The grandparent
bruce_anthony:
Big.
j__aundrea:
of all of
bruce_anthony:
Yeah,
j__aundrea:
a lot of civil rights and feminist legal cases
that were one. They are the grandparent of
that.
bruce_anthony:
They are the Big Bang of L. G, B, T. Q, right,
j__aundrea:
Yes,
bruce_anthony:
You know how wrapped that all together and
j__aundrea:
Yes,
bruce_anthony:
I'm smart, too.
j__aundrea:
yes,
bruce_anthony:
I got some things to say. No, Wow, I did not.
And this person's name again is what
j__aundrea:
Polly, Polly Murray,
bruce_anthony:
Paul Murray. He all look up Paul Murray. I
had no idea about this. you know, maybe on
solicited perspective when we start getting
in the production of television and movie
we do a movie about about them because I feel
like this person needs to be celebrated more
than not more, but needs to be Lebrated because
I had no idea who this person is.
j__aundrea:
Yeah,
bruce_anthony:
It's always somebody in the background that's
doing all the work.
j__aundrea:
It's always a queer black woman. I'm gonna
be honest with you. That's what it is. It's
always that. I mean, worked alongside Martin
Luther King Junior and Rosa Parks.
bruce_anthony:
I would. I would love to understand the dynamic
of that because
j__aundrea:
Yeah,
bruce_anthony:
we can say in the black community for generations,
and even still today the l, g b t, Q community
is kind of shunned even though
j__aundrea:
Most of these activists and most of these
movements for civil rights are led. Black
Lives Matter was tough, started by three queer
black women. Most of these things are started.
and the people who on the are on the front
lines are black women and founds, And because
we understand Um, and actually Polly, marry,
Coin de Fray, is Jane Crow, along with Jim
Crow, talking about the way In which
bruce_anthony:
M,
j__aundrea:
segregation and these laws negatively affect
black women. In particular, Um,
bruce_anthony:
M
j__aundrea:
we understand that because we are at that
at the bottom,
bruce_anthony:
The bottom.
j__aundrea:
these, if we get liberated, everyone else
above us will as well
bruce_anthony:
But I was my point was is that you, You had
them working with Martin Luther King, and
and in the black community For generations,
Black community is shut away from the G b
t Q community, even though L, g b t Q community
has always been in the black church, Right,
but but By and large there's a certain generation
of black folks. It is just using religion.
As you know it's wrong. God says it's wrong,
and for Martin Luther King to be a pastor
j__aundrea:
M
bruce_anthony:
working with them
j__aundrea:
Clearly non binary person.
bruce_anthony:
And it doesn't get discussed. Maybe if it
was more publicized,
j__aundrea:
Hm, But
bruce_anthony:
We we, as the black community, I'm saying
we, as a black community, saying me personally,
I'm saying we, as the black community made,
it might look differently upon the l, g, b,
t, Q community if we had known. If it's taught
in an. even in our history courses. You went
to Hover university. I took in Afrafrican
American history, of course at the University
of Maryland. I didn't even know how big the
l, g b t Q community was in the civil rights
movement. More specifically the black l g
b t Q Community was. Had we known this information,
maybe the black community buying large would
be more accepting of the l, g B T Q community,
but it's kind of been.
j__aundrea:
Swept under the rug
bruce_anthony:
Yes.
j__aundrea:
we know, but we don't know. We knew that James
Baultlan was gay. We knew Langston Hughes
was gay. Mom's Mable. Also
bruce_anthony:
We don't talk about that,
j__aundrea:
non
bruce_anthony:
though
j__aundrea:
binary.
bruce_anthony:
we know, even when people talk about James
Ball, when now who had a researgent? For some
strange reason, he had a resurgent during
the pandemic. People were like, Have
j__aundrea:
There
bruce_anthony:
you decided?
j__aundrea:
wasn't there was a documentary. I am not.
bruce_anthony:
But thought the documentary was before the
pandemic. I thought it came out before the
pandemic.
j__aundrea:
Yeah, but people were home and they were watching
stuff and they got to documentaries and they
all saw. I'm not your negro. I saw it in theaters.
bruce_anthony:
I ain't see it in Dis.
j__aundrea:
Hey, waited until they were home.
bruce_anthony:
Then, all of a sudden it was clips on Instagram
and on Twitter and he was like Who is this
person? I'm like You just now found out this
person, but even then,
j__aundrea:
I have
bruce_anthony:
even
j__aundrea:
his
bruce_anthony:
then,
j__aundrea:
entire collection.
bruce_anthony:
I bet you do,
j__aundrea:
Well,
bruce_anthony:
but even
j__aundrea:
I didn't have. Actually, it is Grandma's collection.
Mom inherited it and then I got them, but
they're in the entire collection of his books.
bruce_anthony:
I didn't know that was Grandma's conlection.
But even still, when people talk about him
during his resurgence,
j__aundrea:
Yeah,
bruce_anthony:
so to speak during the pandemic, wife brings
up the fact that he was gay. It's like that
and I would. I would think. What does the
l, g b T Q community like Say you know he
was gay right?
j__aundrea:
Yeah,
bruce_anthony:
Okay? Well, it didn't reach me like, but I
knew that, but it's not. It feels like it's
not reaching the masses. It feels like these
people that. it feels like there's people
in the black community that praise certain
groups that praise certain civil right leaders,
j__aundrea:
Hm,
bruce_anthony:
but at the same time talk down Pon the l,
g b t Q community. But they're praising somebody
in the l, g, p T Q community and just not
acknowledging it
j__aundrea:
Yeah,
bruce_anthony:
And I think that's a problem, but that's that's
neither. hear o, the and Oh, by the way, Yeah,
we'll talk about white supremacy, but we'll
talk about our own Iss too
j__aundrea:
Yeah,
bruce_anthony:
like this. This is not a one sided thing with
us. On unsolicte
j__aundrea:
You.
bruce_anthony:
perspective, We we talk about the raw real.
No matter what side of the corn you are, we
will we talk about white supremacy and we'll
talk about the fact that he our own P. Be
fed up to,
j__aundrea:
But I mean people in the now in law at that
time, specifically women dealing with sex
ism in the in trying to forward legal protections
against sex ism like R, B, G, Right, people
working for race advocacy like their good
marshal, These people knew her. They were
in the now, but the general public is not
in No, and
bruce_anthony:
And
j__aundrea:
that's
bruce_anthony:
I'm saying
j__aundrea:
the
bruce_anthony:
the general public, the general public needs
to be
j__aundrea:
Yeah.
bruce_anthony:
needs to be in it. Now. these things need
to be brought to light.
j__aundrea:
Because the cool. The reason why she was often
dismissed in her time. Obviously not later,
but in her time is because, like for example,
Um, in terms of segregation laws, she argued
their unconstitutionality directly. not, She
didn't do the whole well as long as it's separate
but equal. She
bruce_anthony:
M.
j__aundrea:
used psychology and sociology as wel As legal
theory to dispute its constitutionality completely.
That segregation
bruce_anthony:
M,
j__aundrea:
was in itself unconstitutional. and her, of
course she's dismissed. Now It's separate
but equals fine right.
bruce_anthony:
Right,
j__aundrea:
But Thuran Marshal used that theory for his
arguments in Brown versus the Board of Education,
bruce_anthony:
M.
j__aundrea:
so like, like I said A time, people in the
now knew her, knew her as an influential person,
but anyone outside of that, Um, She, She argued,
that was the Fourteenth Amendment forbade
sexual discrimination as well as racial discrimination.
Um. the Fourteenth Amendment being hell. What
is the Fourteenth Amendment?
bruce_anthony:
Don't be bringing up stuff. if you ain't got
th. He ain't got the receipts on. Know what
the Fourteenth Amendment is?
j__aundrea:
Well, do you know it's a civil?
bruce_anthony:
No, I don't know.
j__aundrea:
I felt like there was a documentary on the
Fourteenth Amendment,
bruce_anthony:
I don't know.
j__aundrea:
but it's the
bruce_anthony:
Eyes on the prize probably
j__aundrea:
yeah.
bruce_anthony:
taught us.
j__aundrea:
yeah. it's the Equal Protection under the
Law clause. That's it. Um. But she argued
in that John F. Kennedy commission that the
Fourteenth Amendment also forbade sexual discrimination
and racial discrimination,
bruce_anthony:
M
j__aundrea:
Which people I don't know that they hadn't
considered, But to write it down in a Presidential
Commission on the Status of women. I think
at the time the Fourteenth Amendment was specifically
targeted towards racial discrimination, but
she was like, Don't forget about women.
bruce_anthony:
Right.
j__aundrea:
Don't forget about
bruce_anthony:
So
j__aundrea:
that ouknowthey.
bruce_anthony:
so basically you come to this podcast to learn
and we're gonna teach you something.
j__aundrea:
Yes, so if you get in an opportunity, Um,
I am reading song in a weary throat, Um. actually,
it was reissued as Pauli Murray, the autobiography
of a black activist feminist lawyer, priest
and poet. It is an incredible read. It goes
through her entire life is her autobiography.
She wrote it herself and it's a great read.
It's an easy read too,
bruce_anthony:
So people out there when people approach and
they say they want to learn and they don't
know where to go to read. Those are some suggestions
j__aundrea:
Since
bruce_anthony:
right
j__aundrea:
their
bruce_anthony:
there. we've
j__aundrea:
outsider
bruce_anthony:
given you
j__aundrea:
in the autobiography of Polly Murray, learn,
bruce_anthony:
There,
j__aundrea:
some
bruce_anthony:
you go,
j__aundrea:
people read
bruce_anthony:
there you go, And since, on that note Black
History Month,
j__aundrea:
Hm.
bruce_anthony:
so go ahead and do your sign or Black History
Month,
j__aundrea:
Happy Black History Month all.
bruce_anthony:
And I'm holler.
