The NABJ Trainwreck & Embracing True Self in Modern Society

Sibling Happy Hour 08/02/24
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[00:00:00] Welcome to Unsolicited Perspectives
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[00:00:10] Bruce Anthony: Welcome. First of all, welcome. This is unsolicited perspectives. I'm your host, Bruce Anthony here to lead the conversation in an important event. And topics that are shaping today's society. Join the conversation and follow us wherever you get your audio podcasts. Subscribe to our YouTube channel to watch our video podcasts.

[00:00:26] Bruce Anthony: Rate, review, like, comment, share. Share with your [00:00:30] friends, share with your family, hell, even share with your enemies. On today's episode, it's a sibling happy hour. I'm here with my sis, Jay Andrea. We're gonna be diddly daddling a little bit, then we're gonna be talking about Trump, and then we're gonna be talking about sexuality.

[00:00:44] Bruce Anthony: But that's enough of the intro. We'll Let's get to the show.

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[00:00:54] Sibling Banter and Gym Mishaps
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[00:00:54] Bruce Anthony: What up sis?

[00:00:55] J. Aundrea: What up, brudda?

[00:00:56] Bruce Anthony: I can't call it. I can't call it. I can't call it. I [00:01:00] can call one thing.

[00:01:01] J. Aundrea: What's that?

[00:01:02] Bruce Anthony: Getting old sucks.

[00:01:05] J. Aundrea: Yeah,

[00:01:06] Bruce Anthony: I know this has been a reoccurring theme over this summer, but I'm going to continue on with this theme because it's continuously sucking. Let me explain.

[00:01:14] J. Aundrea: If

[00:01:14] Bruce Anthony: Talked a little bit.

[00:01:16] J. Aundrea: with you, you continue with the theme.

[00:01:19] Bruce Anthony: Repeat that for the people out there.

[00:01:21] J. Aundrea: I said if the theme continuing with you, you continue with the theme.

[00:01:25] Bruce Anthony: Right. Okay. 

[00:01:27] The Headphone Dilemma
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[00:01:27] Bruce Anthony: So my [00:01:30] headphones. are bigger than what they should be.

[00:01:37] J. Aundrea: Okay.

[00:01:38] Bruce Anthony: becomes very difficult for them to stay on my head when I'm in the gym working out. Cause I got a bald head. I don't have any hair to stop the sweat. So they'll routinely fall off my head. If I'm doing certain exercises.

[00:01:51] J. Aundrea: Ah, so you mean your head is too small for your headphones?

[00:01:57] Bruce Anthony: I don't really think that's the case. I think my headphones are just big [00:02:00] and I don't have no hair

[00:02:01] J. Aundrea: I think the headphone sizes are pretty universal.

[00:02:05] Bruce Anthony: tomato, tomato. Anyway, Saying I was doing this one particular exercise and I was on the incline bench and every time I set up My headphones kept falling off my head. So I was getting annoyed by this. Typically when you were doing something on an incline bench, you put your dumbbells on your knees and you put your feet on the ground.

[00:02:27] Bruce Anthony: It's kind of like a spot, a soft spot, right?

[00:02:29] J. Aundrea: [00:02:30] Okay.

[00:02:30] Bruce Anthony: was routinely doing that. I got so tired of my headphones falling off of my head. Every time I did that, I said to hell with this, I'm gonna just drop the weights by the side and then sit up. So my headphones don't fall off my head because the whole thing is I'm annoyed that my headphones are falling off my head

[00:02:45] J. Aundrea: Yes.

[00:02:46] Bruce Anthony: Well when I decide to put the weights by my side all of a sudden I hear a crunch

[00:02:52] J. Aundrea: Mm-Hmm?

[00:02:53] Bruce Anthony: drop the 60 pound dumbbell on my iPhone

[00:02:56] J. Aundrea: Yeah.

[00:02:56] Bruce Anthony: now I dropped it on the front screen.[00:03:00] 

[00:03:00] Bruce Anthony: So I look at the front screen and there's no break in the glass Mind you also have a, a case protector. So I'm like, where's the, what happened? I forgot

[00:03:12] J. Aundrea: crunch.

[00:03:13] Bruce Anthony: there was a crunch. I forgot there's glass in the back of the phone. So I flipped the phone. Sure enough, all of it is cracked. I'm like, that don't make no sense.

[00:03:21] Bruce Anthony: But the phone is still working. So I'm happy. I'm like, you know what, it's in the, it's in this protector sleeve or whatever.

[00:03:28] J. Aundrea: yeah.

[00:03:28] Bruce Anthony: It still works. I'm all [00:03:30] good.

[00:03:30] J. Aundrea: case on it. Keep it

[00:03:31] Bruce Anthony: We keep it moving. 

[00:03:33] Phone Troubles and Verizon Visit
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[00:03:33] Bruce Anthony: 30 minutes later. I don't get any cell service. The phone is searching hard for some cell service. So I go, I come home. I text you, Hey, you get this text?

[00:03:44] Bruce Anthony: Yeah. Why? Because I have an iPhone and I'm using the wifi so I can get and Text messages and phone calls from iPhones, but I'm not getting any text messages from anything. It's not an iPhone So I'll run up to the Verizon store. Mind you don't have no car. It's [00:04:00] a mile away

[00:04:00] J. Aundrea: Mm-Hmm.

[00:04:01] Bruce Anthony: and I just finished working out and I'm pissed off.

[00:04:04] Bruce Anthony: Okay,

[00:04:04] J. Aundrea: So that's like the trifecta

[00:04:07] Bruce Anthony: right you hot

[00:04:09] J. Aundrea: aggravated.

[00:04:10] Bruce Anthony: you hot You ain't got no car. So you got to walk outside and you just finished working out and you made it

[00:04:16] J. Aundrea: Yeah.

[00:04:17] Bruce Anthony: It's all those things

[00:04:18] J. Aundrea: physical activity and heat.

[00:04:20] Bruce Anthony: Right.

[00:04:22] J. Aundrea: That's, I don't need nothing else to have a hell of a day.

[00:04:27] Bruce Anthony: Right. So I go in the Verizon [00:04:30] store and I immediately go up to the brother and I'm like, Hey brother. He was like, Hey man, how can I help you? I said, Hey brother. He said, yeah. Hey man, how can I help you? I'm like, no, I don't think you understand this, this back and forth. I said, drop a dumbbell on my phone.

[00:04:44] Bruce Anthony: How heavy was the dumbbell? I was like 60 pounds. He's like, Hmm. Yeah. Okay. Let me see what I could do. So I'm going to give credit to the brother.

[00:04:52] J. Aundrea: but

[00:04:53] Bruce Anthony: it's like, how heavy was it? Right. If it's a 15 pound dumbbell, maybe the phone isn't completely destroyed. [00:05:00] Anything heavier at a certain point, like pretty much it's going to be destroyed.

[00:05:04] J. Aundrea: do is see that back glass to notice the phone has been destroyed.

[00:05:08] Bruce Anthony: Well, he says, yeah, I see the black, black back glass has been messed up, but you still getting a wifi signal and your phone is still being receptive. Let me do a couple of things to see if I can't. Try to make the cell signal connect.

[00:05:23] J. Aundrea: Okay.

[00:05:24] Bruce Anthony: man, bruh, man worked on it for a good 35, 40 minutes.

[00:05:27] J. Aundrea: Yeah.

[00:05:28] Bruce Anthony: Couldn't get it to connect.[00:05:30] 

[00:05:30] J. Aundrea: It was on life support and he had

[00:05:31] Bruce Anthony: Yeah. And then he opened the SIM card and he was like, Oh, this is it. He's like your receiver, your antenna, your cellular antenna has been damaged. It was like, we can sit here and wait for a while. See if the signal comes back. I was like, what are my other options? Well, get a new phone.

[00:05:46] J. Aundrea: Yeah.

[00:05:47] Bruce Anthony: So, had to get a new phone.

[00:05:49] Bruce Anthony: Was mad, cause my old phone was completely paid off. Got a new phone. It is what it is. The new phone is fancier, but I immediately, immediately [00:06:00] bought a new case. I

[00:06:02] J. Aundrea: yeah. I have now like a case on it, and I don't even care if my phone doesn't look cool. Like, you know, it's like, oh, you get a pretty case, and okay, is that gonna save it from me?

[00:06:15] Bruce Anthony: Mm hmm.

[00:06:17] J. Aundrea: Is that gonna protect my phone from who I am as a person? And the number of times that I'm gon drop it.

[00:06:25] J. Aundrea: No, gon get you them heavy duty cases. [00:06:30] And that glass screen protector.

[00:06:34] Bruce Anthony: Mm hmm. You know who you,

[00:06:36] J. Aundrea: crack.

[00:06:36] Bruce Anthony: you know who you sound like right now,

[00:06:38] J. Aundrea: Who?

[00:06:39] Childhood Memories and Tough Jeans
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[00:06:39] Bruce Anthony: mom, because when we was younger, she used to give us those rough and tough, sturdy jeans because we'd be outside playing in jeans and always get holes in the knee part and we're like, well, we don't like these jeans. These aren't the nice designer jeans.

[00:06:54] J. Aundrea: Ours were denim. Like, y'all don't have to, y'all don't understand. [00:07:00] It was raw denim. Like, those are the most unforgiving. You can't squat.

[00:07:09] Bruce Anthony: Y'all don't know nothing about Lee jeans or bugle boy jeans.

[00:07:14] J. Aundrea: Them raw denim jeans. That denim weighed 173 pounds. And it did not give.

[00:07:22] Bruce Anthony: I always thought I was slow. Come to find out. It was just them jeans. Weighing me down. I couldn't race nobody in them jeans.

[00:07:28] J. Aundrea: strongest thighs [00:07:30] in third grade. That shit didn't make no sense.

[00:07:36] Bruce Anthony: I didn't win that one field day. Cause I'm out there in them, in them tough jeans, them double jeans, the jean jeans, jeans is 15 pounds. And I only weigh 85. I can't move.

[00:07:50] J. Aundrea: So why y'all thighs so strong? We gotta wear these jeans.

[00:07:54] Bruce Anthony: Yeah, that was that was our childhood. What's [00:08:00] going on with you? What what do you want to tell the world? Oh, before I had it here in the rundown and completely we was about to dilly dally right past it. 

[00:08:07] Show Updates and Grad School Plans
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[00:08:07] Bruce Anthony: Ladies and gentlemen, we want to give you guys an update on the show. We're doing a little switcheroo.

[00:08:14] Bruce Anthony: My sister is starting grad school schedule is changing. So the sibling happy hours will start to come. We'll starting next week. This is the last Friday sibling happy hour. The sibling happy hours will be coming out on Tuesday and then my own show or the show with the interviews [00:08:30] will be coming out on Friday, still releasing shows Tuesday and Friday.

[00:08:33] Bruce Anthony: They just flip flop,

[00:08:35] J. Aundrea: Just flip flop.

[00:08:36] Bruce Anthony: just flip flop. So, uh, y'all going to get double bangs.

[00:08:40] J. Aundrea: instead of Friday.

[00:08:41] Bruce Anthony: right. And y'all going to get double bang, right? Cause y'all getting the sibling happy hour.

[00:08:45] J. Aundrea: know if I love that.

[00:08:52] Bruce Anthony: Oh, as Cameron Mace would say, Whoa, um,

[00:08:57] J. Aundrea: You said it.

[00:08:58] Bruce Anthony: I said it, but that's not [00:09:00] y'all getting back to back episodes

[00:09:02] J. Aundrea: Yeah.

[00:09:03] Bruce Anthony: happy hour. So y'all going to get one Friday, which is today or whenever you listening to it and get another one on, on Tuesday. So y'all getting back, back, sibling happy hours. We just changing up.

[00:09:14] Bruce Anthony: Y'all still getting my sister. Cause she says she would never leave her audience. That ain't really what she said. She said you tricked me into doing this, Bruce, and now I'm stuck. She was right.

[00:09:26] J. Aundrea: It's a little from column A, a little from column B. Listen, I, [00:09:30] I am stuck, but I enjoy it. So I said, how can, how can I still be a part of the show now that my schedule is becoming a little, a little different? So he just said, we're just going to flip flop and that's all.

[00:09:47] Bruce Anthony: I am literally though, going to drop the, with Bruce Anthony in the title of the podcast, because this is the reason why. I am very grateful for every guest that comes on the show,

[00:09:59] J. Aundrea: [00:10:00] Yeah.

[00:10:00] Bruce Anthony: but they're always like, really glad to do a show with you and your sister. I'm like, no, that's, that's not what's happening.

[00:10:06] Bruce Anthony: I'm interviewing you. My sister's not going to be on that show. Oh, okay. Well, maybe I can come on another time after we do our show and with your sister. I was like, I don't know how logistically that's going to work. Cause my sister loved to talk. Actually, I love to talk and I can't really talk during my interviews.

[00:10:25] J. Aundrea: I am very good at, well, I don't know how good I am at interviewing because [00:10:30] I've never done it before. But I assume because I have a false sense of self that I'm very good at interviewing. I'm just going to say, let's run with that. I

[00:10:45] Bruce Anthony: Maybe

[00:10:45] J. Aundrea: be

[00:10:46] Bruce Anthony: I

[00:10:46] J. Aundrea: at an

[00:10:46] Bruce Anthony: didn't, I, I'm not saying that you wouldn't be good. I don't know how logistics work with three people. I've done an episode with three people. One of those, granted, it was one of the earlier episodes that I ever did. [00:11:00] But it is tough to juggle that somebody has to be the moderator.

[00:11:04] J. Aundrea: Yes.

[00:11:05] Bruce Anthony: And so there's like, okay, well, I guess I'll just be the moderator.

[00:11:07] Bruce Anthony: And then that sucks because I don't want to just be the moderator. I got something to say.

[00:11:12] J. Aundrea: I mean, but that's how it is though, when you turn on the news and you see them talking to multiple guests, the host is typically the moderator.

[00:11:19] Bruce Anthony: Yeah, I know that sucks. Okay. I don't want to do that.

[00:11:22] J. Aundrea: That is the whole premise of your show.

[00:11:26] Bruce Anthony: No, it's not. That's not the purpose of my show.

[00:11:29] J. Aundrea: host [00:11:30] and you are interviewing guests.

[00:11:31] Bruce Anthony: Yeah. I don't mind that, but I'm talking about,

[00:11:35] J. Aundrea: you are the moderator.

[00:11:36] Bruce Anthony: no, no, I don't mind. No, I'm the interviewer. That's different than being a moderator.

[00:11:41] J. Aundrea: When you have more than one guest, you're moderating at

[00:11:45] Bruce Anthony: I only moderated one time, and I didn't like it. That's what I'm trying to say. I was hosting and moderating. That sucked. Because I'm sitting there, and it's like, oh, this question is for you. Or I would just leave out a question, and two people would talk over top of [00:12:00] each other. It becomes very difficult.

[00:12:02] Bruce Anthony: It does.

[00:12:02] J. Aundrea: that's when you say, so and so, and then you have the question. So the person knows that you're talking to them.

[00:12:09] Bruce Anthony: Well, one, also, You ain't got no time. Okay. So it's not like,

[00:12:15] J. Aundrea: it.

[00:12:15] Bruce Anthony: not like an interview is going to take up a sibling happy hour and there will be a revolt if people don't get a sibling happy hour. So if the choice is we get you once a week, it's the sibling happy [00:12:30] hour, not on the interview.

[00:12:31] J. Aundrea: Right.

[00:12:32] Bruce Anthony: That's just what it is.

[00:12:33] Bruce Anthony: Ladies and gentlemen.

[00:12:34] J. Aundrea: And

[00:12:35] Bruce Anthony: But,

[00:12:35] J. Aundrea: guys.

[00:12:35] Bruce Anthony: but I am going to drop the, with Bruce Anthony. Cause everybody always asks for you to show miles. We'll just be unsolicited perspectives with, with Bruce and Jay.

[00:12:45] J. Aundrea: You could just, we could just, it's just unsolicited perspectives.

[00:12:49] Bruce Anthony: No, I didn't already made logos. Yeah.

[00:12:53] J. Aundrea: just keep it. Just keep it.

[00:12:55] Bruce Anthony: My favorite, my favorite podcast. One of my favorite podcasts is the Dan [00:13:00] Levitard show. With Stu gots. I mean, so it was just unsolicited perspectives with Bruce Anthony and the sibling happy hour with Jay Andre. Maybe I just should change the name of this particular episode and say it's unsolicited, unsolicited perspectives, the sibling happy hour.

[00:13:17] Bruce Anthony: That's probably what I should do and create a new logo. podcast still under the unsolicited perspectives with Bruce Anthony family, but it's the sibling happy hour. That's what I should do.

[00:13:29] J. Aundrea: in [00:13:30] real time ladies and gentlemen, that's how ideas are born

[00:13:33] Bruce Anthony: that's how ideas are born, ladies and gentlemen. That's how we do production in this. Are you excited about starting grad school?

[00:13:41] J. Aundrea: I am, I can't, I've been, uh, honestly, I've been on the edge of my seat this entire summer ever since I got accepted because, um, I'm excited about the, the subject matter and just to start something new. So I've, I, this is literally the [00:14:00] first time in my life that I've, And 40 years that I've ever been excited to go to school because I've never been excited to go to school. So just the, just the idea of doing something new, I think is, it's just really exciting for me.

[00:14:15] Bruce Anthony: That's really dope. Um, but I gotta ask you a question. You've never been excited to go school? Not even the first day of school when you put on your new fit?

[00:14:24] J. Aundrea: no,

[00:14:25] Bruce Anthony: What about going to college the first time?

[00:14:28] J. Aundrea: No, [00:14:30] because honestly, it, it, you know, in our household, it was a requirement.

[00:14:35] Bruce Anthony: What, going to school?

[00:14:36] J. Aundrea: Yeah.

[00:14:38] Bruce Anthony: I mean, I think that's in anybody's household. It's a requirement.

[00:14:40] J. Aundrea: going to college,

[00:14:42] Bruce Anthony: Uh, was it a requirement? I think,

[00:14:44] J. Aundrea: I

[00:14:44] Bruce Anthony: no. I think mom and dad, well, I'm sure we felt that way because they had gone to college. Right? But, If we had come up with a different plan, mom and dad has always been super supportive of what we want to do.

[00:14:59] Bruce Anthony: They just wanted to make [00:15:00] sure we had a backup plan.

[00:15:01] J. Aundrea: That's true.

[00:15:02] Bruce Anthony: And back in the day, it was like, you go to college to get a degree. So that you can get a job to go to work now. I mean, college is still important. I think it's important for your personal development as a person to leave the nest and go immerse your, your, your world in a world that you didn't know existed

[00:15:23] J. Aundrea: Yes.

[00:15:24] Bruce Anthony: people from different walks of life.

[00:15:26] Bruce Anthony: I think that's how we kind of solve this human problem of [00:15:30] people just,

[00:15:30] J. Aundrea: you mean by learning?

[00:15:32] Bruce Anthony: yes.

[00:15:33] J. Aundrea: Yeah. I would say yes. I feel like if you would like to grow as a person, you should start with learning,

[00:15:44] Bruce Anthony: Right. But I don't think, I don't think mom and dad was just like, you got to go to school. They were just like,

[00:15:51] J. Aundrea: for, I don't know. I felt like it was like, okay, I had to go. Or like go to the armed services or something like

[00:15:59] Bruce Anthony: [00:16:00] well, we wouldn't want none of us doing that.

[00:16:02] J. Aundrea: I did. Yeah, I did think about that, um, uh, about the air force actually.

[00:16:09] Bruce Anthony: But we always had war.

[00:16:11] J. Aundrea: no, you remember the towers fell my senior year of high school,

[00:16:17] Bruce Anthony: Oh, so you would have started the ROTC program like before that, before senior year, you would have started like junior year or something like that.

[00:16:24] J. Aundrea: Most of the

[00:16:25] Bruce Anthony: Mm hmm.

[00:16:26] J. Aundrea: senior class that enlisted, they did it the summer before your [00:16:30] senior year. they had all signed their paperwork and then we start school on September 11th. Next

[00:16:38] Bruce Anthony: Yeah.

[00:16:38] J. Aundrea: at war.

[00:16:39] Bruce Anthony: Yeah.

[00:16:40] J. Aundrea: was my class. That went okay. So I did think about that, but it was just, yeah, but college undergrad, just, it was a slog for me.

[00:16:52] J. Aundrea: Like I just, just dragged through it. I got through it, but I

[00:16:57] Bruce Anthony: Mm

[00:16:57] J. Aundrea: dragged through it because my heart really [00:17:00] wasn't in it. But now, I don't know. I feel like it's just making this decision on my own and studying something that really interests me. I'm very interested in data science. So, yeah. It just feels different.

[00:17:15] Bruce Anthony: Mm hmm. Mm hmm. You can go to LLC

[00:17:19] J. Aundrea: you know how black women are. When we get complacent, you get a degree or LLC.

[00:17:25] Bruce Anthony: II should have that I should copyright that and sell that.

[00:17:29] J. Aundrea: should. I

[00:17:29] Bruce Anthony: [00:17:30] And sell that at the next Essence Festival.

[00:17:38] J. Aundrea: hate you. Cause it was sellout!

[00:17:40] Bruce Anthony: they would sell out at the Essence Fest. They would,

[00:17:43] J. Aundrea: your first Why

[00:17:46] Bruce Anthony: yes.

[00:17:47] J. Aundrea: SSFest? I hate you. I

[00:17:50] Bruce Anthony: Because I I know business.

[00:17:52] J. Aundrea: I hate your

[00:17:53] Bruce Anthony: I know business. Matter of fact, when is the next essence pe I'm gonna start making up these shirts.

[00:17:59] J. Aundrea: is [00:18:00] always July 4th weekend.

[00:18:02] Bruce Anthony: All right, well next July 4th weekend, I'm gonna have them shirts and be out there selling them right after my 45th birthday. I'm like, Hey, support a young brother turning 45.

[00:18:12] J. Aundrea: brother turning 45!

[00:18:16] Bruce Anthony: Why can't I be a young brother turning 45?

[00:18:19] J. Aundrea: Young brother, almost 50.

[00:18:24] Bruce Anthony: Oh, well, this is a perfect segue.

[00:18:29] J. Aundrea: Yeah.

[00:18:29] Bruce Anthony: [00:18:30] Speaking of black people and conventions.

[00:18:32] J. Aundrea: And nonsense.

[00:18:34] Bruce Anthony: Well, that too. 

[00:18:36] Trump at the NABJ Convention
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[00:18:36] Bruce Anthony: Trump was at a black convention yesterday. about it next.

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[00:18:49] Bruce Anthony: So Jay, you sent me a text message earlier today and was like, we got to talk about this. And I said, it's already on the rundown. Don't even worry about it.

[00:18:56] J. Aundrea: was on the same

[00:18:57] Bruce Anthony: We was on the same page and I'm [00:19:00] interested to hear your thoughts on it. Before the audience, they were like, what the hell are y'all talking about?

[00:19:04] Bruce Anthony: Well, if you've been living under a rock and maybe you have, or maybe this just isn't in your wheelhouse, the national association of black journalists or the NABJ is a nonprofit organization that advocates for black journalists and media professionals in the U S and worldwide. Founded in 1975, the NABJ provides innovative programs and services to its members, which includes emerging journalists, professional journalists, [00:19:30] student journalists, journalism educators, and media professionals.

[00:19:34] Bruce Anthony: The NABJ's mission includes strengthening ties among Black journalists, Black journalists and media professionals promoting fairness in the workplace for black journalists, expanding job opportunities and providing professional development, increasing the number of black journalists and management positions, honoring excellence and outstanding achievements by black journalists, encouraging black students to pursue journalism careers.[00:20:00] 

[00:20:00] Bruce Anthony: And the NABJ also hosts an annual national convention and career fair, which is one of the kind every year. This I think it's always in Chicago. It features workshops, panels, special events, all that. They extended an invitation for Donald J. Trump, the former president, to have an interview for [00:20:30] all these black journalists.

[00:20:31] Bruce Anthony: Now, just a little aside. I heard from a black journalist that typically this interview was done on a Wednesday that typically, um, the majority of the black journalists don't come until Thursday night. So this was strategic and having this interview done on a Wednesday where there wouldn't be as many.

[00:20:55] Bruce Anthony: Black journalists there because there was a little hoopla over the fact that he even got an [00:21:00] invitation. I'll get into that later. Let's talk about What he did during the interview So former president Donald Trump was recently interviewed by the NABJ annual convention in Chicago during the interview Trump made controversial comments questioning vice president Kamala Harris racial identity Asking whether she is Indian or black This has sparked criticism and further discussions about race identity in politics.

[00:21:27] Bruce Anthony: Let's go about, let's, let's focus [00:21:30] on him questioning Kamala Harris's racial identity. Trump questioned vice president Harris's racial identity identity, asking whether she is Indian or black or black. He falsely asserted that Harris was Indian all the way, his words, Indian all the way, and suddenly his words became a black person, but that's not how he said it.

[00:21:50] Bruce Anthony: He said, became a black. That was how he said it. This has been widely criticized in his attempt [00:22:00] to undermine Harris's identity and qualifications. This is a continue, uh, not attack. I wouldn't say it's an attack, fair criticism of accusations of racism against Donald J. Trump. Um, because his comments have been seen as racially insensitive and have initiate re initiated accusations of racism against them because these are racist comments, his remark about Harris's heritage and his history of making inflammatory [00:22:30] statements on racial issues have drawn significant backlash.

[00:22:33] Bruce Anthony: The response from the NABJ members the decision to invite Trump to the NABJ NABJ convention was a controversial one from the start. Some NABJ members expressed concerns about giving him a platform and one member even stepped down as co chair of the event. The interview itself was intense with Trump accusing one of the black moderators of being very rude.

[00:22:58] Bruce Anthony: Now, he wouldn't want me to be a [00:23:00] moderator because we know I don't even like being moderator in the first place and I would probably be very rude. He also said something about the January 6th rioters. Trump had stated that he would absolutely pardon those convicted in the January 6th attack if they were innocent.

[00:23:17] Bruce Anthony: I don't even know what that even means. So Jay, before I get to some of this other stuff,

[00:23:24] J. Aundrea: Yeah.

[00:23:25] Bruce Anthony: you want to talk about it. I gave people the whole background [00:23:30] go.

[00:23:32] J. Aundrea: So, you remember, I don't know if it was last year, Last episode or a couple episodes ago, I said that his biggest fear, Trump's biggest fear as a black woman. Okay.

[00:23:47] Bruce Anthony: remember that.

[00:23:49] J. Aundrea: This is exactly why this interview was everything knew it would be [00:24:00] if ever he was sat across from a black woman who is able to ask him questions.

[00:24:08] Bruce Anthony: Yeah.

[00:24:09] J. Aundrea: Okay. Like I knew it was going to go about this well and the Trump campaign people could not get that man off the stage. Fast enough.

[00:24:20] Bruce Anthony: it is true. They rushed them off the stage relatively quickly.

[00:24:24] J. Aundrea: He immediately, [00:24:30] immediately was racist. I didn't know she was black until a couple of years ago when she happened to turn black

[00:24:39] Bruce Anthony: He did say that those were his words. Mm hmm.

[00:24:43] J. Aundrea: immigrants, stealing, quote unquote, black jobs. He immediate, he could not help himself. There are things, there are policy. He, positions that [00:25:00] Vice President Harris may have held or whatnot that you could definitely interrogate. He was not prepared to have a policy debate though, with anyone,

[00:25:14] Bruce Anthony: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:25:15] J. Aundrea: certainly not with VP Harris. So, all he has in the chamber, okay, only thing that's in that clip, black woman, black woman, that's the only thing he's

[00:25:28] Bruce Anthony: Not black woman, [00:25:30] not black woman.

[00:25:31] J. Aundrea: not black woman. And then the audacity, because he is not the only one to do this. I've seen this talking point several times on conservative media. The audacity of white people who are the inventors of race.

[00:25:47] Bruce Anthony: This is white Americans. Let's be clear. White Americans are the inventors of race. Yes.

[00:25:55] J. Aundrea: To then tell us who we can consider [00:26:00] part of our community. There has never been a point in time where Kamala Harris Has not been a black woman and proudly so

[00:26:11] Bruce Anthony: Never a point.

[00:26:13] J. Aundrea: she is a graduate of Howard University is a member of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Incorporated

[00:26:20] Bruce Anthony: So just to be clear for the audience out there who don't know what those two institutions are, Howard HBCU, historically black college [00:26:30] and AKs.

[00:26:34] J. Aundrea: They were the very first black sorority. They're over a hundred years old.

[00:26:39] Bruce Anthony: Part of the divine nine black sorority. Yes. Yes

[00:26:45] J. Aundrea: Anytime that she has been asked she says I am a black woman proudly That is never, but she is also an Indian woman. Hey guys, first of all, let me tell you a little, [00:27:00] give you a little history on black people in America, particularly descendants of slaves. That's who I'm talking about. Descendants of enslaved people.

[00:27:08] Bruce Anthony: Well, technically, okay. She is descended of slaves but not descended of slaves based in America

[00:27:16] J. Aundrea: Right. But listen,

[00:27:18] Bruce Anthony: that's what they're trying to harp on and that's not because she's her father's Jamaican

[00:27:23] J. Aundrea: right.

[00:27:24] Bruce Anthony: Jamaican is black.

[00:27:26] J. Aundrea: which is a nationality. is not a race. [00:27:30] Her father is black.

[00:27:32] Bruce Anthony: Yeah, her father is black.

[00:27:34] J. Aundrea: Okay. Black people are not indigenous to Jamaica.

[00:27:38] Bruce Anthony: This is true

[00:27:40] J. Aundrea: They got there one way.

[00:27:43] Bruce Anthony: one way. Yeah

[00:27:44] J. Aundrea: The only damn way. And that's through the transatlantic slave trade.

[00:27:49] Bruce Anthony: This is true.

[00:27:50] J. Aundrea: something about a good majority people in America who are [00:28:00] descendants of slaves.

[00:28:01] J. Aundrea: We are multiracial. We have biracial, multiracial family members or we are ourselves like that's part of our story

[00:28:13] Bruce Anthony: You see how light skinned my sister is

[00:28:15] J. Aundrea: You

[00:28:16] Bruce Anthony: that just come natural?

[00:28:17] J. Aundrea: how pigmentally challenged I am.

[00:28:22] Bruce Anthony: If y'all are listening,

[00:28:23] J. Aundrea: Yeah.

[00:28:26] Bruce Anthony: you'll see how bright she is. I used to call her, I used to call her glow worm back in the [00:28:30] day.

[00:28:34] J. Aundrea: Like that's, that's who we got. Okay. That's part of our story. So when we see people like Barack Obama, Mariah Carey, Elisha Keiths,

[00:28:48] Bruce Anthony: Yeah.

[00:28:49] J. Aundrea: Kamala Harris,

[00:28:50] Bruce Anthony: Yeah.

[00:28:52] J. Aundrea: we know within our community that those are black people

[00:28:57] Bruce Anthony: Montel Jordan.

[00:28:59] J. Aundrea: because [00:29:00] this is how we do it. I don't know what Montel Jordan had to do with it.

[00:29:05] Bruce Anthony: I thought it was a funny name to throw into the mix.

[00:29:07] J. Aundrea: Oh, cause I

[00:29:10] Bruce Anthony: It have nothing to do with it. I don't even think he's really light scared, but yeah,

[00:29:12] J. Aundrea: anything

[00:29:14] Bruce Anthony: but you know,

[00:29:15] J. Aundrea: at all, but that's all right. Um, so for, for them to make that of appeal, I guess, to black people of like, is she, is she, is she really one of you, you don't get to [00:29:30] decide that. You truly, truly don't. You think you do because you invented race. But you don't get to decide who we consider a part of our community. Um, it was a train wreck and I couldn't look away and it was absolutely. Fantastic. But there's, there's very much more. It was not that long. They got them off the stage as soon as they

[00:29:57] Bruce Anthony: It was a good 30 minutes. It was a good 30 [00:30:00] minutes. Yeah,

[00:30:00] J. Aundrea: supposed to be much longer than that.

[00:30:03] Bruce Anthony: because it,

[00:30:04] J. Aundrea: continued going downhill

[00:30:05] Bruce Anthony: yeah,

[00:30:06] J. Aundrea: even further. But, uh, that is not the only highlight from that interview is a tax on her race. There are, there's so many other highlights.

[00:30:17] Bruce Anthony: go ahead, run through them.

[00:30:20] J. Aundrea: Oh, I thought you were about to do that.

[00:30:21] Bruce Anthony: Uh, no, I'm talking, I was going to talk about how the response of the NABJ.

[00:30:28] J. Aundrea: Oh, okay. [00:30:30] Gotcha. Yeah, I think you hit, I think you hit a lot of it. He made the tax on her race.

[00:30:40] Bruce Anthony: Mhm.

[00:30:41] J. Aundrea: starting there. He When asked if he thought she was a DEI hire or would he challenge other people in the conservative party who have been calling her a DEI hire, he, uh, got very aggressive with the interviewer [00:31:00] and asked her to, asked her to define DEI.

[00:31:04] J. Aundrea: She said, Diversity, equity, and inclusion. like, yeah, define it. like, I just did.

[00:31:11] Bruce Anthony: Yes. That was, that was hilarious.

[00:31:13] J. Aundrea: was hilarious.

[00:31:14] Bruce Anthony: It was hilarious.

[00:31:16] J. Aundrea: He said, she said, Do you think she was hired because she was a black woman? And that's when he launched into her being, he thought she was Indian, and now she's black and all of that. So that was a lovely highlight. [00:31:30] Um, Um, When he doubled down on black jobs and then was pressed on what a black job is, he said, a black job is anybody with a job,

[00:31:39] Bruce Anthony: Yes.

[00:31:42] J. Aundrea: which made no sense, no sense. He also doubled down on his claims that he has done more as president for black people than Abraham Lincoln, since Abraham Lincoln.

[00:31:55] Bruce Anthony: Yeah.

[00:31:56] J. Aundrea: He

[00:31:56] Bruce Anthony: I mean, there's this, there's this guy, you know, my favorite [00:32:00] president, Lyndon Baines Johnson, who actually did the most for black people in this, in this country.

[00:32:06] J. Aundrea: important,

[00:32:07] Bruce Anthony: Yeah. Yeah. I mean,

[00:32:09] J. Aundrea: had, uh,

[00:32:09] Bruce Anthony: yeah.

[00:32:10] J. Aundrea: know, the Civil Rights Act, the

[00:32:12] Bruce Anthony: Voting rights act. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:32:14] J. Aundrea: Act.

[00:32:15] Bruce Anthony: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:32:16] J. Aundrea: Did we forget about those?

[00:32:17] Bruce Anthony: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:32:19] J. Aundrea: I forgot. Oh, Lord, what president was it before Johnson who desegregated the military?

[00:32:27] Bruce Anthony: Oh, I have no clue. I'm going to assume maybe [00:32:30] Truman.

[00:32:30] J. Aundrea: Truman,

[00:32:31] Bruce Anthony: Yeah, I'm going to assume Truman. Yeah.

[00:32:33] J. Aundrea: So, you know, some pretty, uh, pretty influential there. I, uh, he has yet to give us examples of how he's been the president. best president to the black population since Abraham Lincoln when all of the evidence is to the contrary. So don't know how he, he noted that the [00:33:00] crowd there, there was quite a few black journalists in the crowd, which got a nice laugh, got a nice laugh considering the fact that it was all 

[00:33:11] Bruce Anthony: All right. You're at the National

[00:33:14] J. Aundrea: Yeah.

[00:33:15] Bruce Anthony: of Black Journalists. Yeah, I would imagine there's black journalists there. Matter of fact, every journalist there is black.

[00:33:24] J. Aundrea: chances are. There's going to be some black journalists there. That's what I'm [00:33:30] going to, that's what I'm thinking.

[00:33:31] Bruce Anthony: Did they not vet? Did they not like give him a rundown before he went on stage?

[00:33:38] J. Aundrea: I think when the National Association of Black Journalists asked to interview Donald Trump, that his camp should have said, no.

[00:33:52] Bruce Anthony: He can't though. He can't. He can't say no. He cannot say no. I mean, yes, theoretically. [00:34:00] Yes, absolutely. He can or literally. Absolutely. He can theoretically. No, he can not because it's like, oh, you won't go speak to black journalists. It just further

[00:34:09] J. Aundrea: He's not done it so far.

[00:34:12] Bruce Anthony: What? Yeah, but he's trying to appeal to black voters, you know, they got, uh, they got a group out there.

[00:34:19] Bruce Anthony: They got a lot of, you know, blacks for Trump. I even saw a group called the N word for Trump.

[00:34:25] J. Aundrea: Yeah, of course there's going to be, listen,

[00:34:28] Bruce Anthony: I was that I'd [00:34:30] never heard that one before, but I saw it on social media. There's a group. That calls themselves the N words for Trump. And I'm just like, wow, we're not a monolith. We're not,

[00:34:44] J. Aundrea: no.

[00:34:45] Bruce Anthony: was, I was walking in my neighborhood the other day near my little restaurants and shops. And right outside of this restaurant, there was this couple sitting, it was a black man and a white woman, young,

[00:34:57] J. Aundrea: hmm. Mm

[00:34:58] Bruce Anthony: you know, I'm going to say in their mid [00:35:00] twenties, black man would have make America great.

[00:35:02] Bruce Anthony: And

[00:35:03] J. Aundrea: hmm.

[00:35:04] Bruce Anthony: I, you know, me being me, I scribbled a little bit cause I'm like, say or do something stupid. So I could punch you in the face. Cause brother, come home. Like, come on. Not because you're with the white woman, you know, cause I don't mind that it's cause you got this make America great head again. And I just don't feel like that you understand what exactly is going on.

[00:35:24] Bruce Anthony: Let me get into the NABJ's Statement for this. [00:35:30] So the National Association of Black Journalists did issue a statement following the controversy surrounding former Donald, uh, former president Donald Trump's interview in a BJ expressed disappointment with Trump's comments and emphasize their commitment to provide a platform for diverse voices and perspectives.

[00:35:47] Bruce Anthony: They reiterated their mission to advocate for black journalists and media professionals and to promote fairness and equality in the media industry. Thank you. The organization also acknowledged the concerns raised by its members and the broader community. [00:36:00] And they reaffirmed their dedication to foster respectful and constructive dialogue.

[00:36:05] Bruce Anthony: Like I said, the field, the full interview is just under 35 minutes

[00:36:10] J. Aundrea: Mhm.

[00:36:10] Bruce Anthony: y'all can go ahead and check it out. 

[00:36:12] Black Journalists' Criticism
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[00:36:12] Bruce Anthony: But the reason why they had to make these statements is because there were a lot of black journalists. It was like, why are y'all giving them this platform?

[00:36:19] J. Aundrea: are you platforming this

[00:36:21] Bruce Anthony: And

[00:36:22] J. Aundrea: Which is a fair criticism.

[00:36:23] Bruce Anthony: so much so that the co chair for the event stepped down and was like, I can't be a part of this.

[00:36:29] Bruce Anthony: Now [00:36:30] I have mixed feelings about all that. I thought this was a chess move, not for the National Association for Black Journalists. They weren't doing it for nefarious means. But if I was a political, I don't know, operative. And I'm going against Donald Trump. I really want him to be at this convention to do exactly what he did.

[00:36:55] Bruce Anthony: The reason why I say that is because the people that are diehard Trump [00:37:00] supporters, this, they fed into this. They love this. I saw some comments on social media saying he was at a DEI convention, which.

[00:37:09] J. Aundrea: no.

[00:37:09] Bruce Anthony: They're, they're, they're just going to be people out there that believe that and think that you're not going to change their mind.

[00:37:14] Bruce Anthony: You can't beat them in the head with sense. They are who they are. They're going to be his supporters. They're never going to change. Surprisingly, there are still some undecided voters. And I say surprisingly to others, it's not surprising to me. [00:37:30] And this is the reason why I say this. 

[00:37:32] Republican Party and Black Voters
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[00:37:32] Bruce Anthony: The Republican party are about certain policies that believe it or not, a large portion of the black community.

[00:37:40] Bruce Anthony: Could actually get behind, right? Because a large portion of the black community is technically really conservative.

[00:37:46] J. Aundrea: Yes.

[00:37:47] Bruce Anthony: Okay. Churchgoing conservative folks. Really conservative. Okay, so the Republican party is missing the boat on black voters because they harbor so many [00:38:00] racists in their party. What do I mean by racist?

[00:38:03] Bruce Anthony: Look at the organizations that back him, back them, whether it's the Patriot, Patriot Front, or the the Proud Boys, or even David Duke, the former. Grand Wizard of the Klu Klux Klan ran as a Republican. Anything that has to do with being racist or anti Semitic, that group associates itself with Republicans.

[00:38:25] Bruce Anthony: But there are some people that still believe in that limited government [00:38:30] capitalism, Ideology of the Republican party. They hold on to that and they vote on, well, this person is in the greatest person, but at least they'll fight for my policies. 

[00:38:45] Trump's Racism and Political Impact
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[00:38:45] Bruce Anthony: The reason why I say that this was brilliant in the standpoint, standpoint of those undecided voters who can't stand Trump, but we'll vote for him because he at least is going to stand up for their policies now have to have a clear Come to [00:39:00] Jesus moment because he has completely shown himself to be, you can't deny it.

[00:39:05] Bruce Anthony: Even if you want to a racist,

[00:39:07] J. Aundrea: Yes.

[00:39:08] Bruce Anthony: he's leaning into every single dog whistle, not even dog whistles in the morning. He ain't whistling. He's barking up.

[00:39:15] J. Aundrea: Yeah. And, and, and I don't think he's doing it purposefully. I think these are his, these are his actual answers to these questions.

[00:39:29] Bruce Anthony: Oh yeah. [00:39:30] No, this is what he truly believes. Yeah.

[00:39:32] J. Aundrea: I mean, you're just seeing him revealed in real time.

[00:39:36] Bruce Anthony: The, the, the, the play, the con. Is not what he's saying at a convention like this. The con is when he going before, the Christian or the Southern Baptist convention and, and espousing that he's this deeply religious person when he's never,

[00:39:57] J. Aundrea: Right.

[00:39:57] Bruce Anthony: expressed that people seem to forget before [00:40:00] Barack Obama joked on him at the house correspondent dinner.

[00:40:03] Bruce Anthony: He was a Democrat

[00:40:06] J. Aundrea: He

[00:40:06] Bruce Anthony: life.

[00:40:07] J. Aundrea: to Kamala Harris campaign.

[00:40:10] Bruce Anthony: Right. So this, this turn and switch, much like JD Vance, because, uh, if y'all didn't know,

[00:40:17] J. Aundrea: D. Vance.

[00:40:18] Bruce Anthony: if y'all didn't know, JD Vance didn't believe a lot of the stuff that he's believing right now, how do we know? Because his best friend when he was in college was a transgender person. And there are emails [00:40:30] that are specifically stating where he stood on social issues.

[00:40:34] Bruce Anthony: And he was on the other side of the fence. He jumped on this side of the fence because it's convenient. And he could play that role.

[00:40:40] J. Aundrea: his, you could just take his words for it. I mean, he was a proud Never Trumper. There's interview, there's tape. It's everywhere. Like you, you can just take his own words

[00:40:50] Bruce Anthony: Just take his own word.

[00:40:51] J. Aundrea: hmm.

[00:40:52] Bruce Anthony: like I'm saying, going back, I think this is brilliant because for those people who are just like, look, I vote for Republican because Republicans [00:41:00] policies are what I believe in as a person. No, I don't like them, but Democrats. And their policies are completely against what I believe in.

[00:41:09] Bruce Anthony: And I'm not even upset at those people because they believe that the country should be a certain way from a policy standpoint. And I'm like, okay, we just fundamentally disagree on what's better for America. But at least you had that conviction and what you believe in. Like I can rock with that. Okay. [00:41:30] But them having that crisis of conscience voting for Trump and then making excuses.

[00:41:35] Bruce Anthony: Well, he's not really racist. Why would you say that? Cause I've talked to some people who have voted for Trump and they're like, why would you say that he's racist? Cause this, this and this. Well, I don't know if this racist right now

[00:41:44] J. Aundrea: Mm hmm.

[00:41:45] Bruce Anthony: he's showing you

[00:41:46] J. Aundrea: Yeah. Pretty

[00:41:48] Bruce Anthony: you can't defend. Yeah. Pretty clearly he's racist

[00:41:51] J. Aundrea: Yes.

[00:41:52] Bruce Anthony: at the very least.

[00:41:53] Bruce Anthony: He's extremely bigoted and there is a difference. There is a difference, but at the very both of them

[00:41:59] J. Aundrea: But when [00:42:00] you have presidential power,

[00:42:02] Bruce Anthony: Yes.

[00:42:02] J. Aundrea: you can say racist because then he has the

[00:42:05] Bruce Anthony: Yes.

[00:42:06] J. Aundrea: to disenfranchise.

[00:42:07] Bruce Anthony: Yes, he does. So I, I understand why a lot of black journalists, some of 'em, have come out and spoke. Some of them who I really, really respect has said like, this was offensive. 'cause they were, they're a part of that organization.

[00:42:22] J. Aundrea: Yes. Yes.

[00:42:23] Bruce Anthony: I think from a political and strategic standpoint, this was fantastic. I could, I was [00:42:30] cringing and laughing at the same time.

[00:42:31] Bruce Anthony: 'cause this, this is what you want. Look, you can't deny it anymore.

[00:42:35] J. Aundrea: a, it's a net, it's a net positive for VP Harris.

[00:42:40] Bruce Anthony: Mm-Hmm. , no.

[00:42:41] J. Aundrea: wasn't, it was not strategically brilliant for Trump in his camp. It was the stupidest move that they could have made. This was just, in a time where there are so many conservative media begging [00:43:00] him to stop with the racial and sexist attacks. To talk about literally anything else. Um, this was a terrible move. I just don't understand who, because he was informed beforehand who the panel was and that it was going to be tough.

[00:43:24] Bruce Anthony: He, no, he had, he got to choose. Who was going to be on the, on [00:43:30] that panel. And he knew the questions before he walked out there.

[00:43:34] J. Aundrea: So the fact that he felt like this was all coming out of nowhere, I mean, his, his response to the first question, which dug in, shout out to, let me, oh, gosh, I can't remember her name. Rachel Scott, I believe she's with ABC, came out guns blazing and, uh, Asking him directly about racist comments that he's made in the [00:44:00] past currently and he immediately, I think he called her nasty and rude and

[00:44:05] Bruce Anthony: Yeah. That's what he does. And it's

[00:44:07] J. Aundrea: and you know, that, that old deflection thing that he does,

[00:44:11] Bruce Anthony: where she could have said hello.

[00:44:15] J. Aundrea: he was introduced.

[00:44:16] Bruce Anthony: Right. It was, I'm just, I'm just joking. I'm just joking.

[00:44:19] J. Aundrea: first question, like,

[00:44:21] Bruce Anthony: question. Yeah. Yeah,

[00:44:22] J. Aundrea: I think it's I think it's fair that, um, because it ended up turning out [00:44:30] well for the Harris campaign doesn't mean that it was still a good idea the NABJ to invite him. So I definitely understand. Uh, how some of the journalists feel. I think it's valid.

[00:44:48] J. Aundrea: I mean, this is a, uh, sex offender and a convicted felon. And why are you giving him a platform like that's fair?

[00:44:56] Bruce Anthony: that's fair.

[00:44:57] J. Aundrea: it was the train wreck that we all knew it would be. And it [00:45:00] was a wonderful to watch doesn't mean that it was a good idea. So I think that's fair. also think you better than me because. Um, you say you can understand people who will still vote for him

[00:45:15] Bruce Anthony: No, no, no, no, no. That's not what I said. Let me clarify that. That's not what I said.

[00:45:21] J. Aundrea: I was about to say you better than me.

[00:45:22] Bruce Anthony: No, no, that's not what I said. What I said was, is I understand people who ride Republican and [00:45:30] have voted for him because they do it strictly from a policy standpoint. Let me give you a clear example. I was talking to a friend of mine and this person is a friend, right?

[00:45:40] Bruce Anthony: And we laugh and joke. And some of our conversations are absolutely hilarious and probably should be taped and put on air. Because when we get together, it's just funny stuff going on.

[00:45:50] J. Aundrea: Yeah.

[00:45:51] Bruce Anthony: He said to me, wouldn't it be great if we had a time machine could go back in time? I said, how far back in time? He's like, yeah, what if we can go to like the 1800 or something like that?

[00:45:59] Bruce Anthony: I was [00:46:00] like, I'm, I'm not going my, Oh, by the way, I dropped the lead on this one. He's white.

[00:46:04] J. Aundrea: Okay.

[00:46:06] Bruce Anthony: I was like, yeah, I'm not, I'm not, I don't want to go back then. He's like, wow, we could just go back in time and see how things were. Yeah. I don't want to go back then. He's like, wow, I don't understand. We can go back.

[00:46:13] Bruce Anthony: I was like, bruh. And so I started like showing them like my hands and my arms and stuff like that. I'm black.

[00:46:20] J. Aundrea: Yes.

[00:46:21] Bruce Anthony: Oh, I didn't even think about that. 

[00:46:25] The Role of White Privilege
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[00:46:25] Bruce Anthony: I said, that's the height of white privilege. What? That's the height of white privilege because you don't have to think [00:46:30] about that. I can only go back maybe to the seventies.

[00:46:34] Bruce Anthony: Like if a choice, a choice,

[00:46:36] J. Aundrea: and I really don't want to do that. Honestly, the furthest I would go back is probably 96. that's the

[00:46:43] Bruce Anthony: At the height of bad boy at the height of bad boy.

[00:46:46] J. Aundrea: No, no.

[00:46:48] Bruce Anthony: Okay. But the point I was trying to make is, is white privilege will and people get white people get so upset. We can say white privilege. It is a privilege. We, we all have [00:47:00] different privileges. I have a privilege as a male, right? I have a privilege as a male that I see and move in certain ways that women are just like, I can't move that way.

[00:47:10] Bruce Anthony: I can't go that way. I can't go down that road at that time. We all have privileges, acknowledge it and quit taking offense to it and just be like, oh, okay, I do have it. But that doesn't mean that I didn't accomplish. That I didn't put work in to accomplish where I got, I just got some help. There's nothing wrong with that.

[00:47:28] Bruce Anthony: Just acknowledge it. [00:47:30] So sometimes the white privilege can just blind you. Like my male privilege can just blind me from stuff that females are, that women are dealing with.

[00:47:38] J. Aundrea: Yeah.

[00:47:39] Bruce Anthony: people can just be blinded. It's, it's kind of on us to point out he would have never understood until I had to damn near beat him in the head.

[00:47:48] Bruce Anthony: No, bro. I'm black. I don't want to go back to that time.

[00:47:51] J. Aundrea: Right.

[00:47:52] Bruce Anthony: what I was saying was, is that a lot of people, a lot of these people that were voting for Trump, some were voting for [00:48:00] policy and that they could overlook the bad stuff that he was doing. Because. He was getting the stuff that they wanted done

[00:48:11] J. Aundrea: Right.

[00:48:11] Bruce Anthony: could always excuse his comments and say, well, he's not racist because if, if they had voted for a racist, what does that say about me?

[00:48:20] Bruce Anthony: You have to be introspective in that moment. And a lot of people don't want to do that. Now it's in your face. You can't make excuses for it unless you're just, unless you just want to make excuses [00:48:30] for it. And then you can't help those people. So that's not what I was saying was I understood how some Republicans had voted for Trump.

[00:48:39] Bruce Anthony: At this point, if you vote for Trump, you are recognizing that you are supporting racism. And this was a clear example of him showing his hand. He's been doing it since VP Harris has, has come out and started running for president. He's been doing it, but here's another [00:49:00] very clear example in a room of black people.

[00:49:03] Bruce Anthony: When they say that there's all these black voters for Trump. Here he is. And he couldn't even dull it down just one iota.

[00:49:10] J. Aundrea: None.

[00:49:11] Bruce Anthony: So if you vote for him now, you just support, uh, bigotry and racism. And, uh, you got to take a look in the mirror, no matter what your policies or what you think is better for this country.

[00:49:23] Bruce Anthony: You got to take a look in the mirror.

[00:49:24] [00:49:30] 

[00:49:31] Bruce Anthony: All right, Jay, for this last segment, you sent me a video that I thought was extremely interesting and I don't know if you sent it to me just from, Hey, what do you think about this? This is interesting. Or. Or. Hey, I want to talk about this. But I immediately was like, I want to talk about this on the show.

[00:49:47] J. Aundrea: Yeah.

[00:49:48] Bruce Anthony: I'm gonna let you take the lead on this one. You're going to be the host in this instance.

[00:49:53] J. Aundrea: Well, uh, This is coming out of Out Magazine. Everybody [00:50:00] knows there's a Fresh Prince reboot called Bel Air on Peacock. And in the fifth episode of Bel Air, Ashley Banks, who is played by Akira Akbar, is talking to one of her sister, Hillary's friends, who is an influencer who specializes in sex positivity. And so this is an exchange that they have And luckily we, we can't play the clip, but we have the transcript. So I'll, I will be acting both parts. Now I'm just going to read it. I'm not going to act both [00:50:30] parts, but Ashley asks, Hillary's friend, do you think the future of sexuality is fluid? And she responds, I think the future of sexuality is fluid. I think coming generations won't torture themselves when they define their behaviors. Some people may spend one stage of their lives as heterosexual and another as asexual and even another as maybe homosexual. And so Ashley asks [00:51:00] her, So is it worth it to make these distinctions at all? And she responds only if those distinctions serve you.

[00:51:07] J. Aundrea: Some people feel that sexuality defines them, you know, as a person, others don't, you know, but both camps are totally correct. And I, I thought. This was a really interesting, perspective that I totally agree with. And I kind of had this feeling for a while that as we to get more and [00:51:30] more specific about how we identify. And as the acronyms get longer and longer and longer, as more people start to drill down and how they identify, I think that the story is that it is impossible to encompass all of the ways that people can show up in the world. The acronym will continuously get [00:52:00] longer and and longer and longer. And, that the whole point is That we can't be, qualified or quantified like that. that. ultimately, the breadth of human experience is going to ebb and flow over time. You will be one thing at one stage of your life. You'll be something else at another stage of your life because we're constantly changing and evolving as [00:52:30] people anyway, as we grow older. And so there's no way for you to have been the same person at 20 that you are at 30 that you are at 40. et cetera, et cetera. It just depends on, because the circumstances of your life, the point in time in your life in which you're living is completely different from the circumstances of your life yesterday. Why? Because this is a completely new day with new things happening to you and new experiences. And so I just thought that was interesting and I wanted to get your take on it.[00:53:00] 

[00:53:00] The Burden of Identifiers
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[00:53:00] Bruce Anthony: I believe the greatest oppressor of humanity are identifying qualifications, identifiers,

[00:53:15] J. Aundrea: Mhm.

[00:53:16] Bruce Anthony: let me expand upon that. The worst thing in this world that I've ever been labeled. It's just a male. [00:53:30] Everybody's going to be like, what the hell are you going? Bruce? Follow me because my favorite color is pink

[00:53:37] J. Aundrea: Mhm.

[00:53:37] Bruce Anthony: and growing up as a male.

[00:53:40] Bruce Anthony: Pink can't be your favorite color. Pink didn't become cool in the male community until Cameron had the bravery

[00:53:49] J. Aundrea: Mhm.

[00:53:50] Bruce Anthony: pink. Um, that females have to be soft and delicate,

[00:53:57] J. Aundrea: Mhm.

[00:53:58] Bruce Anthony: if you are stern or driven, [00:54:00] like my bestie is that somehow that's not feminine

[00:54:04] J. Aundrea: Right.

[00:54:04] Bruce Anthony: and somehow you are less than a woman.

[00:54:08] J. Aundrea: Mhm.

[00:54:09] Bruce Anthony: If I love to groom myself,

[00:54:13] J. Aundrea: Mhm.

[00:54:15] Bruce Anthony: keep my head shaved.

[00:54:17] Bruce Anthony: You know, maybe get a pedicure or medicure. That's not masculine for a lot of people out there. They have been stuck [00:54:30] in this category of being heterosexual.

[00:54:34] J. Aundrea: Mhm.

[00:54:36] Bruce Anthony: And just now over the last 30 years, It became okay, sort of, to be homosexual based on society's perception. In other words, there's still legislation out there that's trying to hold, the LGBTQ plus community down.

[00:54:54] Bruce Anthony: And as you said, that has grown longer and longer over time. [00:55:00] The greatest oppressor are these identifiers because they come with stereotypes of how you're supposed to be, as opposed to you being. You're true. And as my man, Rick Clemens would say, authentic self

[00:55:15] J. Aundrea: Yeah.

[00:55:17] Bruce Anthony: sexuality. I am a heterosexual cis male. I identify as he, him, and I love the ladies

[00:55:24] J. Aundrea: Mm hmm.

[00:55:25] Bruce Anthony: been attracted to men, but I can honestly say [00:55:30] when a man is attractive back in the day, you couldn't even do that.

[00:55:35] Bruce Anthony: You had to do it in kind of an underneath dick tone by calling him a pretty boy. Now you can just say that man is attractive. I'm not attractive to him. That man is attractive. Right. That doesn't make me anything other than what I am.

[00:55:52] J. Aundrea: Right.

[00:55:53] Bruce Anthony: But other people are like, yes, that man is attractive and I'm attracted to that [00:56:00] man.

[00:56:00] Bruce Anthony: That woman is attractive and I'm attracted to that woman. That transgender male. Is attractive and I'm attracted to that transgender female is attractive and I'm attracted to her. Why are you restricted with who you are attracted to? Because that's natural who you are attracted to is who you are attracted to.

[00:56:21] Bruce Anthony: You ain't got no choice. If I had a choice, I would have been attracted to all the women that I know would have loved me and took care of me and treated me like the king that [00:56:30] I, that, that I don't deserve to be, but that they wanted to treat me as I wasn't attracted to him, which I could have been tried to just not.

[00:56:38] Bruce Anthony: Yeah.

[00:56:38] J. Aundrea: Yeah.

[00:56:38] Bruce Anthony: As our beloved late uncle would say, I like what I like and people like what they like. We need to stop trying to put these identifications on what people should be and just accept them for who they are. And I hear this. I'm going to, and you know, we're going to get this on YouTube. People are going to say, well, [00:57:00] stop pushing your lifestyle on me.

[00:57:01] Bruce Anthony: Nobody's pushing their lifestyle on you.

[00:57:03] J. Aundrea: Literally

[00:57:04] Bruce Anthony: Matter of fact, why don't you stop pushing your lifestyle on them? Because heterosexuality dominates.

[00:57:10] J. Aundrea: Yeah.

[00:57:12] Bruce Anthony: Our society,

[00:57:13] J. Aundrea: Yes.

[00:57:13] Bruce Anthony: right? Dominates it. What does that do for the people that are homosexual? Well, it's not natural. If it's not natural, then why do they feel that way?

[00:57:22] J. Aundrea: Right.

[00:57:24] Bruce Anthony: That that's the most natural feeling in the world. What you like. Yeah. [00:57:30] Attraction. Like you can't control that. If you could control it, You would, but you can't, you can't control what you like and what you don't like. I don't like broccoli. There's nothing that you could do to broccoli to make me like it.

[00:57:42] Bruce Anthony: I don't like it.

[00:57:44] J. Aundrea: Yeah. Ew.

[00:57:45] Bruce Anthony: it in, in, in chocolate and, and have Alicia Keys feed it to me.

[00:57:51] J. Aundrea: Yeah.

[00:57:52] Bruce Anthony: I still won't. Well, I might, but that's neither here nor there. That's neither here nor there, but I [00:58:00] can't stress enough that these identifiers are the great. Oppression of a person. And I can honestly say that because I know so many people that are part of the LGBTQ plus community that have gone through hell just being them.

[00:58:18] J. Aundrea: Yeah,

[00:58:19] Bruce Anthony: How would you feel if all you wanted to be was you? And you couldn't be you because society is telling you the you that you are is wrong.[00:58:30] 

[00:58:30] Challenging Societal Norms
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[00:58:30] J. Aundrea: I'm gonna, I'm gonna, well not disagree, I'm gonna challenge you a little bit,

[00:58:36] Bruce Anthony: Okay, here we go. All right, we're going into overtime folks. We weren't supposed to go this long because we're doing back to back shows, but okay, challenge me because I'm trying to grow.

[00:58:44] J. Aundrea: Yeah, so I don't have any problem with being a woman. I actually love it. I wouldn't want to be a man. Ooh, no. I, I love being a woman. And it [00:59:00] is just as me being black. As a part of who I am, me being a woman is a part of who I am. Me being identified as a woman not disenfranchise me. The problem and the issue is with society. And you touched on it. You touched on it. It's not, it's not the name. It's what's associated with it.

[00:59:22] Bruce Anthony: Yeah, that's so what are you challenging me on? I'm not real clear.

[00:59:28] J. Aundrea: To let [00:59:30] go of the issue being the identifier and start challenging the systems that are in place constrict people under whatever, know, identify, do you understand what I'm saying?

[00:59:47] Bruce Anthony: Yeah, but

[00:59:47] J. Aundrea: not,

[00:59:48] Bruce Anthony: personally, I, I have, and I, and I think I, if I didn't make that clear, that's what I believe I'm saying.

[00:59:55] J. Aundrea: I think saying the same thing.

[00:59:58] Bruce Anthony: Yeah, I'm saying it.[01:00:00] 

[01:00:00] J. Aundrea: it's not, it's not the name. It's not the name that's do like, it's not being identified as male that is keeping you from, um, like, uh, the whole breadth of your personhood. It is patriarchy.

[01:00:20] Bruce Anthony: Yes. However, I, we are saying the same thing we are in. This is one of those rare times where we're agreeing and debating at the same time. [01:00:30] Welcome to my world. Ladies and gentlemen,

[01:00:31] J. Aundrea: think it's a

[01:00:32] Bruce Anthony: we're saying

[01:00:32] J. Aundrea: issue.

[01:00:33] Bruce Anthony: a, it's a semantic issue and you're going with. Yeah. Society's problem. I'm, I'm saying, yes, it's society's problem.

[01:00:40] Bruce Anthony: It's society's problem because they, they say this identifier is what you should be. I'm not saying that people have to adhere to that identifier because I am a prime example. You know, me, I got pink, everything.

[01:00:54] J. Aundrea: Yes.

[01:00:54] Bruce Anthony: I wear pink now. Like there, there is nobody that's going to stop me. I'm saying that the [01:01:00] society doing these identifiers are pressing people to be their authentic self.

[01:01:07] Bruce Anthony: And it's up to these people who want to be their authentic self to just say to hell with it. I'm going to be there. But there are still some people that are still closeted. And still hiding themselves, maybe because they're in one of those flyover states that that go, they're evangelicals their families, deeply religious, don't believe in it.

[01:01:28] Bruce Anthony: They don't feel like their family would [01:01:30] accept them. Maybe their family would, maybe their family wouldn't because there have been cases of these deeply religious families saying, I love you no matter what,

[01:01:39] J. Aundrea: Yeah.

[01:01:40] Bruce Anthony: because that's what Jesus would tell me to do.

[01:01:46] J. Aundrea: Right.

[01:01:46] Bruce Anthony: Because that's what Jesus. We're telling them to do because they're a follower of Jesus's teachings.

[01:01:54] Bruce Anthony: Um,

[01:01:56] J. Aundrea: I, I've always hated that response like. [01:02:00] love you no matter what, because what the implication

[01:02:04] Bruce Anthony: yeah, I, okay. I didn't look, I'm not a great order. Okay.

[01:02:08] J. Aundrea: that is the response.

[01:02:09] Bruce Anthony: That's yeah,

[01:02:10] J. Aundrea: who well intentioned people are like, I love you no matter what, like the, the implication is that there's something that there is, that is unlovable

[01:02:19] Bruce Anthony: right. Exactly.

[01:02:20] J. Aundrea: is all of the things about me are lovable.

[01:02:24] Bruce Anthony: Yes. And so I agree. I'm saying the problem is [01:02:30] with society.

[01:02:31] J. Aundrea: Yes.

[01:02:32] Bruce Anthony: It's these restrictions that society is saying, you're this, that way you should be this. And we're, we're not that we've never been that. And it's caused people, especially men who have always had the highest suicide rate between the genders. It's caused men who didn't want to be, who couldn't live their authentic self.

[01:02:53] Bruce Anthony: And I'm not saying that they were, um, a part of the LGBTQ, [01:03:00] the LGBTQ2 plus community. I just screwed that all up. I've been having some drinks lately as a gentleman, and I'm a bit nervous right now.

[01:03:06] J. Aundrea: hour.

[01:03:06] Bruce Anthony: Yeah. I'm a bit nervous right now because, because I'm just trying to focus. 

[01:03:13] Gender and Societal Expectations
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[01:03:13] Bruce Anthony: It could have just been like, Hey, I want to dance.

[01:03:16] Bruce Anthony: What do you mean? Dance? You mean like square dance? No, I want to do ballet. Yeah. I want to do ballet.

[01:03:20] J. Aundrea: Mm

[01:03:21] Bruce Anthony: Why, why can't I do ballet? We don't do ballet. We don't really even dance. Well, I like ballet. I want to [01:03:30] sing in the opera. We don't do that here. That's not very manly. I want to, this is for me and my generation.

[01:03:37] J. Aundrea: Mm hmm.

[01:03:37] Bruce Anthony: I want to be in theater in high school.

[01:03:40] J. Aundrea: Yeah.

[01:03:41] Bruce Anthony: that's not what we do. We're jocks. We play sports. I can play sports and be in theater. I want to go on the theater. I want to go act.

[01:03:48] J. Aundrea: Yeah.

[01:03:49] Bruce Anthony: we can't do that. I'm mad at myself for not being an authentic person and combating against it and going against the wind when everybody calls me the natural contrarian anyway, but there was a limit to [01:04:00] where I would go

[01:04:01] J. Aundrea: Right.

[01:04:01] Bruce Anthony: I'm saying society and its labels.

[01:04:05] Bruce Anthony: Have done that to people and some people, it becomes so overwhelming to not be their authentic self that they unalive themselves. So this issue that

[01:04:16] J. Aundrea: It's the systems.

[01:04:17] Bruce Anthony: yes, but the systems create the labels. That's, that's what I mean. The systems create the labels.

[01:04:23] J. Aundrea: want the focus to be on that. Like we, when we start to talk [01:04:30] about doing ballet or liking pink, we need to interrogate why we consider those things inherently feminine. Why do we even consider those things feminine? Who decided that a shade red that is a little paler, you know, just like, you know, a little bit more white mixed in, whatever the Pantone

[01:04:57] Bruce Anthony: You went there was crazy

[01:04:59] J. Aundrea: who decided [01:05:00] that that was feminine?

[01:05:01] Bruce Anthony: money decided it because there was a point in time in our society, in American society where little boys could have the color pink

[01:05:10] J. Aundrea: Yeah.

[01:05:10] Bruce Anthony: and somebody decided no blue is masculine. Pink is feminine. And we still pray, we still,

[01:05:18] J. Aundrea: arbitrary.

[01:05:19] Bruce Anthony: and we still do it today for the baby reveals, no matter how we evolve as society, we are still

[01:05:25] J. Aundrea: doing

[01:05:26] Bruce Anthony: designing.

[01:05:26] J. Aundrea: reveals.

[01:05:27] Bruce Anthony: Yeah, please stop doing it. Stop doing it.[01:05:30] 

[01:05:30] J. Aundrea: You

[01:05:30] Bruce Anthony: doing

[01:05:31] J. Aundrea: party about your kid's genitals. It's weird. don't care. It's weird

[01:05:36] Bruce Anthony: it. It is weird. It is very weird. But, but I, I hope I came across this, With Claire, what I think about this, I think this conversation in this episode was brilliant. And I, this is another reason why I love Gen Z because they are asking [01:06:00] these questions.

[01:06:01] J. Aundrea: Mm

[01:06:01] Bruce Anthony: are, the majority of them are not living in any type of darkness or any type of closet.

[01:06:07] Bruce Anthony: They are being the majority of them, their authentic selves, or at least trying to discover what their authentic selves are. Is

[01:06:16] J. Aundrea: Mm hmm.

[01:06:17] Bruce Anthony: that's Our entire search in life

[01:06:20] J. Aundrea: Yeah.

[01:06:21] Bruce Anthony: is to continually find out who we are because we are constantly evolving as people. And I love, she said, [01:06:30] that, Hey, one stage of life, you might be heterosexual.

[01:06:32] Bruce Anthony: Next stage of life, you might be asexual. Next stage of life, you might be homosexual. And guess what? I know people who have, who have done that.

[01:06:39] J. Aundrea: Yes.

[01:06:40] Bruce Anthony: Who I know people who have been heterosexual and then asexual. And you just like, wait a minute, you haven't had sex in 10 years. No. And then the next thing you know, they're with somebody of the same sex.

[01:06:51] Bruce Anthony: And it's like, this feels right. I'm like, okay, live your best life.

[01:06:54] J. Aundrea: Yeah.

[01:06:55] Bruce Anthony: And honestly, if you're happy, I'm happy. Who wants to who wants to [01:07:00] rain on anybody else's happiness just because it's different from the way you live. That's weird. That's weird. That's weird to care so much about other people. That you feel like they can't live a life that, that you're, that they're living because it's different from your own.

[01:07:15] Bruce Anthony: That's weird. Focus on yourself.

[01:07:19] Human Potential and Limitations
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[01:07:19] J. Aundrea: Yeah, I think the whole the whole purpose and point is that Um, people are [01:07:30] and limitless and are capable of incredible things. I

[01:07:37] Bruce Anthony: Not limitless.

[01:07:38] J. Aundrea: I think that we are. I think we have the capacity and the potential to be, we've been to outer space.

[01:07:44] Bruce Anthony: Yeah, I know, but I can't, I can't, I can't become Superman. So we're not limitless.

[01:07:51] J. Aundrea: limitless in our human potential. No, no,

[01:07:54] Bruce Anthony: Well, I agree and disagree. Cause like, you know, that the old expression, if [01:08:00] you work hard, you can achieve anything if you work hard. That's a lie. That's not true.

[01:08:03] J. Aundrea: no, no, no, no. Limitless in our potential, in our human potential

[01:08:09] Bruce Anthony: Okay.

[01:08:10] J. Aundrea: Pete, as a, as a species,

[01:08:13] Bruce Anthony: Okay. Right. No, I mean, yeah, I agree with that.

[01:08:15] J. Aundrea: every individual person is going to be a rocket scientist. That's obviously not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about human beings have limitless human potential.

[01:08:27] Bruce Anthony: yeah. Human potential, not Kryptonian though.

[01:08:29] J. Aundrea: [01:08:30] Well, because that's a made up thing that doesn't exist.

[01:08:32] Bruce Anthony: No Krypton is a Krypton is a real element in the periodic table.

[01:08:36] J. Aundrea: Well, kryptonite is, krypton is not, and

[01:08:39] Bruce Anthony: Actually it's. Krypton.

[01:08:42] J. Aundrea: it's

[01:08:42] Bruce Anthony: Yes, it's Krypton. The element is Krypton.

[01:08:45] J. Aundrea: The element is kryptonite.

[01:08:48] Bruce Anthony: You want to pull it up on Google right now? And this is how we're going, this is how we're going to end the show. Cause I guarantee you it's Krypton. I guarantee you

[01:08:55] J. Aundrea: how to spell it.

[01:08:57] Bruce Anthony: it's K R Y [01:09:00] P T O N. Krypton. I know how to spell it. You know why? Cause it's an element.

[01:09:06] Bruce Anthony: Cause I was in chemistry class my junior year, uh, junior year of high school and I was like, Hey, wait a minute. Krypton. That's an element. And you, and, and

[01:09:16] J. Aundrea: Yeah, it is.

[01:09:16] Bruce Anthony: I'm right. I'm right. I know I'm right. I know. Right.

[01:09:19] J. Aundrea: Okay. Relax. Okay. You are

[01:09:25] Bruce Anthony: No. Yeah. I just don't even know why you even question

[01:09:28] J. Aundrea: ass element, kryptonite.[01:09:30] 

[01:09:30] Bruce Anthony: what kryptonite isn't even an element.

[01:09:32] J. Aundrea: Well, whatever the heck it is.

[01:09:34] Bruce Anthony: It was,

[01:09:35] J. Aundrea: I don't know nothing about it

[01:09:37] Bruce Anthony: it was a radioactive, it was a radioactive piece of the planet. It's not, it wasn't an element.

[01:09:42] J. Aundrea: You

[01:09:43] Bruce Anthony: is Neil deGrasse Tyson when we need him? Neil, when are you going to come on the show?

[01:09:46] J. Aundrea: literally, that's our dream.

[01:09:48] Bruce Anthony: That,

[01:09:48] J. Aundrea: I don't know if people know this, but I feel like that's our dream,

[01:09:52] Bruce Anthony: that is our dream.

[01:09:53] J. Aundrea: and I, uh, Bruce, if you don't invite me to that interview, I will murder [01:10:00] you.

[01:10:00] Final Thoughts and Farewell
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[01:10:00] Bruce Anthony: As we book in the show, Jay, what do you want to tell the people out there?

[01:10:05] J. Aundrea: Um, if, if labels serve you, use them. If they don't don't.

[01:10:11] Bruce Anthony: Yes, because that's exactly the point that, that, that she was making in the video. Yes.

[01:10:16] J. Aundrea: are correct. You're right.

[01:10:18] Bruce Anthony: Yeah.

[01:10:19] J. Aundrea: If you

[01:10:19] Bruce Anthony: Be you.

[01:10:20] J. Aundrea: as something or if you want to identify as nothing, you're right.

[01:10:24] Bruce Anthony: Mm hmm. Be authentically you. I want to thank everybody for [01:10:30] listening, I want to thank you for watching, and until next time, as always, I'll holler.

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