Exploring the World of Sex Work: An Interview with Legal Madam Olivia LaRue - Part 1

00:03.80
Bruce Anthony
On today's episode this is a 2 part episode I'm gonna be interviewing miss olivia larue she's a legal madam this ladies and gentlemen this episode is for mature audiences only might be some cuss. Definitely going to be talking about sex work. But first things first.

00:32.96
Bruce Anthony
You know when I started this podcast um people asked me what my audience was and I told them that I don't have an audience I don't have a niche a niche. Whatever you want to call it. And don't have one of those my audience comes here and this is not ego. It's not It's it's fact my audience comes because they find me interesting. You see there isn't anything specific that I talk about in these podcasts. This is not a sports podcast. It's not ah, a political podcast. It's not a social commentary podcast. It's all of that I interview and talk to people that I find interesting. Some stuff you're gonna find interesting some stuff. You're not and that's okay, not every episode is for everybody but hopefully hopefully you get something out of every episode that you listen to and I'm proud to announce that this is the thirtieth. Episode thirtieth and thirty first episode well thirtieth and thirty second episode because this is a 2 wo-parter. Um, and I'm interviewing miss Olivia Larue who is a sex worker and legal madam and like I said this interview is for mature audiences. Only.

01:58.70
Bruce Anthony
And you know I'm really one I'm really happy that I got this interview that's first and foremost I'm really happy that. Ah Olivia took the time and this was a this was a a long conversation that we had. It was a good conversation. It is. It's to me one of my best. Interviews because 1 as I continuously do this I feel like I'm getting better at it and and 2 it was and the ultimate conversation. Obviously I was asking questions but it was a it was the ultimate conversation and I'm really I'm really proud I'm proud of. All of my interviews there hasn't been a person that I interviewed that wasn't engaging and that all of them had something important to say and whether you realize it or not the teacher in me. There's a lesson in each one of my podcasts there is. There's a lesson in each and every one of my podcasts and you know I will interview professors I will interview olympic coaches I will interview therapists. I will interview social workers I will interview ordinary people that just happen to be jewish that live here in America I interview who I think is interesting and so going back to that idea of what my niche or what my audience is as I said.

03:26.30
Bruce Anthony
And don't have either 1 I'm an 80 s baby right? I grew up in the 80 s when you were home for sick. You had the daytime talk shows and the daytime talk shows I saw Donahue Haraldo before you know before he jumped on Fox News you had Oprah Sally Jesse ah, um. What was the girl to Rachel Rachel not Rachel Ray I was by the call Rachel Raye but y'all y'all know who I'm talk about of course later on down the line became the excess stuff of more poet and jury springer and I don't get into that but those earlier talk shows. They just talked. They interviewed people that they found. Interesting and I'm not comparing myself to any one of those people yet. But I'm gonna get there and I'm gonna get there because I talk to people who I think are interesting or have something interesting about them. And that's what I did with Miss Olivia Larue because what she brings to this interview is extremely interesting and when you listen to both parts if you pay attention to my questions and her answers. There's a lesson to be learned in this podcast. Almost feel like putting a poll up on my Instagram account to see if you guys could figure out what the lesson is and there is an overall thing to each and every one of my podcasts an over an arcing theme think of my podcast as one long series.

04:57.81
Bruce Anthony
Has a beginning to end and I know what my point is I'm trying I know the story that I'm trying to tell I know what the point is that I'm trying to get across and I'm gonna get across you whether I have to Ram it in your heads or not because you keep coming back because you find what I'm doing and what me and my sister are doing. Let's not Let's not cut her out the equation I understand the dynamic between me and my sister is very very good. We've had 37 years to practice on it. The dynamic that you see between me and my sister is just us but it can't my podcast can't just be about. Dynamic of just me and my sister there are other people out there that I think are interesting that I want to talk to that I want to interview that I I believe that their stories should be put out there in the world and miss Olivia Larue is 1 of those people I'm so excited. For this interview I'm so excited for you guys to learn about what truly is sex work and what goes into it and the outside periphery of what people deal with on their day to day lives being a sex worker is it good. Is it bad is it somewhere in between I'm going to say. Somewhere in between because isn't that life life is everything about being in between there's good inner bad and every day that you live. There's good enough bad but what miss Olivia brings to this conversation is a light.

06:32.36
Bruce Anthony
Upon the sex work industry that I feel is becoming more and more mainstream with the explosion of only fans and every average everyday citizens doing sex work and the stigma slowly but surely. Starting to be stripped away so without further ado let's get to the interview.

00:07.79
Bruce Anthony
I'm excited today I'm going to be interviewing miss olivia larue a legal Madam Olivia thank you thank you? Thank you for coming on the show today I really appreciate it.

00:18.65
Olivia LaRue
Thank you so much for having me Bruce I'm super excited.

00:24.89
Bruce Anthony
You don't know how excited I am because we're gonna be talking about sex more specifically sex work. Um I introduced you as a legal madam but you're way more than that can you tell the people a little bit about. What it is that you do.

00:42.60
Olivia LaRue
I Would love to thank you I am a legal courtesan and an agent for other legal sex workers thus making me a madam. Um, not only that. But I Mentor New sex workers in the industry and I consult. Clients on best practices for hiring a sex worker and I have a totally separate business that's sex therapy and then I have another separate business. That's a holistic healing therapy practice.

01:15.46
Bruce Anthony
So you've got it. You got it all if it if it comes to healing you got it taken care of now you said you were ah you said a legal madam and you said a ah custodium What what was that word courtesan.

01:22.30
Olivia LaRue
Um.

01:29.98
Olivia LaRue
Courtesan A Courtesan is a word used to describe usually a woman who is educated in many different subjects including sex and who will trade her time for.

01:31.68
Bruce Anthony
What is that.

01:44.85
Bruce Anthony
Well Okay, so it's not solely just for sex. So a lot of women are courtesans If you're a lawyer you're trading your services for money.

01:45.64
Olivia LaRue
Money.

01:59.65
Olivia LaRue
It all really just depends on how you define it if you look up coresan on Google. The first thing that pops up is a prostitute. So.

02:09.68
Bruce Anthony
Ah, ah, okay.

02:13.16
Olivia LaRue
If you look it up in Merriam Webster you get the definition closer to what I gave you which is what I prefer.

02:16.24
Bruce Anthony
Okay, that's what we're gonna go with. Could you tell me a little bit about your journey into sex work industry and how you became an advocate for safe sex work I think that's extremely important.

02:28.15
Olivia LaRue
I would love to thank you for asking and before I became a sex worker I was an executive chef and I was a chef for all about 20 years and one day I was dabbling you know I was dabbling in sex work.

02:38.72
Bruce Anthony
So.

02:47.30
Olivia LaRue
And one day I just had an epiphany and I literally threw down my mop because even though I was the buss I was mopping the floors at the end of the night it threw down my mop I said screw this I'm going to go do what I want to do and.

03:03.93
Bruce Anthony
Um, thank you for.

03:06.18
Olivia LaRue
And that started my journey as a sex worker and I didn't have anybody to tell me the right way and the wrong way I didn't have I I didn't have anybody to talk to about it I literally just put my picture up on the internet and got a call and just started doing it and I learned a lot of things the hard way which is why I want to help.

03:12.50
Bruce Anthony
Um.

03:25.94
Olivia LaRue
People that are getting into this industry because learning things. The hard way is dangerous, painful costs money can really turn people off to the industry if they have a bad experience and I want to be able to guide folks in this industry because it's Dangerous. Can be risky. Um, there are a lot of predators out there and I know I'm not making it sound very good, but there's a lot of good sides too. You know you get that money up front. You meet cool people you get to do fun things you get to dress up and be pretty and be nice and there's pros and cons. But.. It's really helpful to have somebody just there for you and guiding you.

04:06.45
Bruce Anthony
Yeah, as you said the hard way. So I can't I can't leave that without asking a question. What are some with with what you're comfortable discussing what are some of the lessons that you learned the hard way.

04:25.53
Olivia LaRue
Thank you for asking? Um, well you know there's some pretty tame stories where just I show up in the hotel room that the client said to meet them at doesn't exist so that was a waste of my time and then we can.

04:38.70
Bruce Anthony
Um, and.

04:42.53
Olivia LaRue
That's one end of the spectrum we can go all the way the other end of the spectrum where I drive 2 hours to this desolate cabin in the woods and I go in and the guy has a dungeon all laid out and like. Trying to feed me alcohol I don't drink ah you know and it's like oh I feel very unsafe and alone and afraid and my cell phone doesn't work out here because it's the middle of nowhere in the mountains so that kind of stuff and. There's all this stuff in between and then there's just a lot of weird perverts out there to be. You know, quite right? So um, thank you so I've learned what the red flags are.

05:26.48
Bruce Anthony
Ah, okay, right? yeah.

05:35.51
Olivia LaRue
To look for the yellow flags I've learned the right questions to ask in my screening process I've developed the screening process. Um I've I've learned the correct ways to kind of navigate the initial discussion when a client or potential client.

05:54.64
Bruce Anthony
And these are all the things that you that you teach escorts that are are so are these escorts are they initially under you or is this a service that you provide for anybody that's looking to get into the business whether they're going to work for you or not.

05:54.68
Olivia LaRue
Reaches out to me.

06:12.80
Olivia LaRue
Thank you for asking? Um I'm very flexible if somebody doesn't live where I live then I can't manage them directly because I can't really set up their in calls and. And get them clients for my client Base. So I would give them more of a coaching experience. Yeah yeah, I'm very flexible because really, it's yes I want to make money but it's more about that I want to help people in this industry be safe.

06:28.74
Bruce Anthony
Okay.

06:42.79
Bruce Anthony
Safe. Yes, what is so I used to work in a restaurant business and I've worked in the gym as a fitness professional and manager and things of that nature and the turnover and those type of businesses are relatively ah quick.

06:48.40
Olivia LaRue
Ah.

06:55.79
Olivia LaRue
Oh good question I Want to say that there's a couple different layers excuse me of turnover and so there's the the women that get into it and they do it once or twice.

06:57.62
Bruce Anthony
What is the turnover and sex work.

07:05.40
Bruce Anthony
A.

07:15.58
Olivia LaRue
And they don't like it. It's not for them and then there's the women who will get into it for maybe a year nine months to a year that's pretty common and then they either move or life or whatever this might come as a surprise but women who choose sex work as a.

07:22.65
Bruce Anthony
Here.

07:33.86
Olivia LaRue
Career are not always the most stable and then I'm like a lifer I feel like I'm a career sex worker. So I've been doing it for 10 years

07:35.61
Bruce Anthony
Okay, all right.

07:48.10
Bruce Anthony
That's a long time.

07:48.81
Olivia LaRue
That is not common but I know that there are many courtesans who are in it for decades and that's because they really love the work and it's a calling to us. Um, and then there's I see you online. There's some that come and go you know they'll do it for a year and then they'll.

07:54.28
Bruce Anthony
Okay.

08:07.35
Olivia LaRue
Go try to get another job and then they'll come back and they do this vacillation thing So that's pretty common too.

08:14.58
Bruce Anthony
What are some of the reasons why they would come in and out. Ah okay, let me let me rephrase that question I don't want to bombard you with too many things at 1 time. What is some reasons why they will get out.

08:25.37
Olivia LaRue
Um, so you're you're good.

08:29.46
Olivia LaRue
I think the number 1 reason is they get into a relationship.

08:34.65
Bruce Anthony
Ah, okay, and and their significant other has an issue with what they are doing.

08:39.53
Olivia LaRue
Or don't they don't want to even tell them that that's what they do.

08:44.75
Bruce Anthony
Okay, so what would be some of the reasons why somebody would get out and then come back in I would assume the number 1 reason would be the dollar dollar Bill okay so so they get out for.

08:56.13
Olivia LaRue
You got it. You're absolutely right.

09:03.57
Bruce Anthony
Whatever reason and you know they go out there and and they get a different job and they just say you know what the money is better over here I'm going to go back to this now. Okay.

09:13.55
Olivia LaRue
Bingo You are correct. Yes I just had that conversation the other day with someone. She's like I'm not paying my bills with instacart I'm like really um.

09:19.87
Bruce Anthony
Pay you compare an instacart to sex work I okay, all right? No I Think the pay disparity is going to be pretty significant in those 2 situations. Ok all right. All right? Yes, Miss Ma'am Yes, that would make sense that you would not make as much money doing instacart as you would sex work. Okay, um, could you explain what a certified sex therapist is and a surrogate partner.

09:37.42
Olivia LaRue
Um.

09:45.00
Olivia LaRue
Ah.

09:50.86
Olivia LaRue
Sure I would love to sure.

09:53.17
Bruce Anthony
That's what I'm really interested in a surrogate partner but but certified sex therapists as well.

09:58.68
Olivia LaRue
Okay, I'll start with a certified sex therapist so that is a raw term depends on what state you're in first if you can call yourself a therapist or not.

10:04.64
Bruce Anthony
Okay.

10:12.74
Olivia LaRue
And then you can get certified in any number of different kinds of sex therapy. There's somatic sex education and then there's surrogate partner therapy like what I have you can get certified from the American association of sexual educators counselors and therapists if you want to be a sex therapist. There's lots of choices.

10:29.90
Bruce Anthony
Okay.

10:32.30
Olivia LaRue
Um, yeah, but like in the state of California you have to be a certain kind of therapist to call yourself a therapist or whatever. So if you get kind of you have to do your research I'm in Nevada pretty much anything goes here. So yeah.

10:44.99
Bruce Anthony
Here.

10:49.82
Olivia LaRue
It's it's like you know the girl at the Mustang Ranch can probably call themselves a certified sex therapist if they wanted to but I legit actually did get trained to be a surrogate partner therapist which is a kind of sex therapist that uses touch to work through.

10:54.20
Bruce Anthony
Okay.

11:07.40
Olivia LaRue
Trauma that the body holds on to that manifests itself as sexual dysfunction for example, Yes, now if you are a man in your fifty s and you grew up in a abusive childhood situation.

11:13.41
Bruce Anthony
Um, ah okay.

11:23.93
Olivia LaRue
You might have told yourself everything's okay and you might be very Successful. You know you might have lots some money or you might not be whatever but you might have logically worked through these issues said oh I'm fine now. The body keeps the score one day. For lack of a better way to put this your dick doesn't work anymore. What's up. That's where I come in So we we combine talk therapy with touch therapy and that's what the surrogate partner does I'm the touch therapist and I have a talk therapist on my team.

11:47.76
Bruce Anthony
In.

11:59.59
Bruce Anthony
In here.

12:00.83
Olivia LaRue
Yeah, and it was developed in the 1960 s by masters in Johnson They are the original sex therapist in America and so I got certified by somebody who practices in Philadelphia and it it was really great.

12:14.33
Bruce Anthony
Okay.

12:19.87
Olivia LaRue
I Do I think I do good work I don't know I help people with it. So thank you.

12:25.56
Bruce Anthony
Well I mean if you're helping people with it then that means you're doing good work. You're welcome So that isn't It's not slowly restricted to just men though correct it. So um I have.

12:39.70
Olivia LaRue
Um.

12:42.20
Bruce Anthony
A bunch of questions and I'm trying to organize them all in my head. Okay, first question. How often do you get into a situation where a man's member isn't working and it's not physical. You know the fifty years old might be might. Being in that situation where things stop working how often is it just it's not physical. It's completely mental and does that just pop up out of the blue like that.

13:11.18
Olivia LaRue
Um, does it just pop up it usually well does it just pop up. Um.

13:16.61
Bruce Anthony
I'm talking figuratively Not literally. Yeah.

13:21.55
Olivia LaRue
Men seem to pay attention when their member stops working So when that happens then they're like on it. You know, um and they come to me when it's not physical when it's a mental thing.

13:25.00
Bruce Anthony
Um, yeah.

13:35.12
Olivia LaRue
Because if it was physical. They could go to a urologist they could go to their doctor and solve it that way so most of the times they've already done that and it hasn't worked and then they come to me and then we work through their issues. Um. I don't want to give away too many secrets here about the industry but like abandonment is a huge reason for some reason it is and it just seems like all the men that come to me they were abandoned some way shape or form by like their mother or their father. And it manifested sexual dysfunction in their 40 s to 60 s in that range.

14:10.54
Bruce Anthony
Wow, but they wouldn't have it wouldn't have affected them when they were younger.

14:16.69
Olivia LaRue
It just takes a while for some reason. Yeah I don't know.

14:20.31
Bruce Anthony
Ah, that's interesting. Um, so how does the process. You don't have to explain the process but but not in detail. But how does that work with women are are we talking Cis women are we talking gay women. Um, what are we talking about.

14:41.42
Olivia LaRue
Good question. So for women who are straight and there are male surrogate. Partners I will work with women who are straight if they want to work with another woman I'll work with women who are bi or gay and I work with men. Are straight usually the gay men don't want to work with me but sometimes side note sometimes they don't know they're gay. Okay.

15:07.66
Bruce Anthony
Okay, wait a minute. How does how does that happen. How does one not know that they're gay. Yeah.

15:17.79
Olivia LaRue
Yeah,, especially in this day and age you know when it's like it's okay to be gay and all that stuff. Um, they're brought up in really strict religious households and there's a lot of shame and guilt around it and so they haven't they're in a. Big denial situation and and we work through that it's kind of heavy. It gets heavy.

15:37.90
Bruce Anthony
Yeah denials Yeah denial is not just the River folks. It's something that that we do that can be very prevalent in our lives. Okay, so you work with men and women and so the surrogate partner. Originally when I read that I was thinking so like is it a couple that are having sexual issues and you guys are the surrogate as in physically literally the surrogate for them to kind of prime up. Person I know this question is probably coming off as ignorant, but this is literally what was going over my head because I'm really not versed in all of this Stuff. So.

16:14.21
Olivia LaRue
No.

16:22.30
Olivia LaRue
Yeah, um, it doesn't come off as ignorant as all at all because nobody really knows about this because nobody talks about it. Um with couples. It's a little trickier.

16:30.20
Bruce Anthony
Ah, right.

16:33.10
Bruce Anthony
Are here.

16:35.40
Olivia LaRue
Ah, there's a lot of pitfalls and traps. So I try to remain I try to keep my ethics really high. You know I always try to keep my ethics really high but like Uber hyper vigilant when it comes to couples. Um.

16:48.88
Bruce Anthony
Yeah here. Oh.

16:53.24
Olivia LaRue
And usually what I'm doing with couples is I'm teaching them the techniques and exercises that I would use on an individual and then they can go home and do that not with me there and you know unless they want me there. But.

17:06.10
Bruce Anthony
Okay, all right.

17:11.37
Olivia LaRue
Only once have I done that and that was weird.

17:14.30
Bruce Anthony
Hey, Okay, so okay now I have a followup question here in in sex Work. So I'm sure you see a lot of weird things you bring up and I don't know if that was real or not but the guy with the dungeon and the sex dungeon. Whatever like you see weird stuff So What about that. Was weird and but and yeah, what? what about that was weird.

17:39.41
Olivia LaRue
Okay I am not going to talk about too much because of client confidentiality. But I have 2 words for you animal husbandry.

17:47.10
Bruce Anthony
Understand Okay I don't not know what that? um at a loss for words. Okay, in the words of.

17:58.12
Olivia LaRue
Um, yeah, so thank you? Yeah but um.

18:03.11
Bruce Anthony
Yeah, and the words of Bernie Meck let's move on. Okay, but no problem. No problem. Ah when make sure that everybody is comfortable and and my audience is going listen to this stuff. Don't worry I prewarn them like don't listen to this episode with the kids around some of them drive with the kids. Don't do that. Not today.

18:20.50
Olivia LaRue
Um.

18:21.90
Bruce Anthony
Ah, what are some of the misconceptions about sex work that you encounter and how do you address these misconceptions.

18:28.75
Olivia LaRue
Okay, yeah, the misconceptions I encounter. Um when I I was thinking about that question and then like an hour later this happened to me escorts do not want to see pictures of anybody's penis.

18:45.14
Olivia LaRue
We just don't We know what they look like surprise us let us use our imagination.

18:47.53
Bruce Anthony
Um, I'm a.

18:52.26
Bruce Anthony
Okay, so I I was literally talking to somebody in the gym I was working out with today and she was showing me her Instagram and her and her Dms and. Was like don't show me anything that I don't I don't want to see she was just like they're just a lot of Dick Pics in these in these direct messages and I'm thinking to myself. Okay I've never understood that logic to to randomly send out a dick pic to a stranger i. Don't understand why somebody would send out a dick pic to somebody that they're going to that's going to eventually see it anyway right? because these are people that are going to hire you right? So what's what's the rationale. For sending out the pick have you ever asked one and just said why'd you send this to me.

19:44.80
Olivia LaRue
No I Usually I have a I have a text that I send back that says sending unsolicited pictures of your Genitalia is a form of sexual harassment and you are now blocked.

19:46.18
Bruce Anthony
Ah, no, okay.

20:02.44
Bruce Anthony
Wow. Um, so okay, so that's a misconception like they want to see you but that's kind of a misconception of across the board for for people in general right? Whether you're you're if you're. Ah, heterosexual female or if you're a gay male I'm sure that there are a lot of people getting unsolicited Dick Pics what are some different misconceptions as far as sex work is concerned. Okay, so one of them that you brought up is is the Mis I would say this.

20:23.47
Olivia LaRue
Um.

20:26.61
Olivia LaRue
Sure.

20:35.16
Bruce Anthony
There's a misconception that everybody that does sex work has a rough background. Um, and I've met people I guess as exotic dancer is that considered sex work. Okay, so one of my best friends was a dancer and my boys used to always say.

20:39.33
Olivia LaRue
Oh.

20:54.10
Bruce Anthony
You know she probably has a a crazy past and I was like no actually she came from a two- parent household. Good upbringing. She's one of my best friends she she never told me about anything crazy happening to her today. She's just paying her way through grad school now has to be something so I would imagine that. Clients come to you some of them have that idea wrapped in their head. Maybe.

21:16.95
Olivia LaRue
Yeah, yes, they do yeah Captain Sabaho is what we call them. Um.

21:22.23
Bruce Anthony
Ah, it's also what my sister calls me but let's move on from thatd That's also what my sister calls me. Okay, so so what are some other misconceptions just just grist.

21:32.57
Olivia LaRue
Um.

21:39.66
Bruce Anthony
Things that that that you encounter from potential clients or clients and you're just like I don't know what you're thinking I don't know what's going on in your head that you would approach me in this manner.

21:50.20
Olivia LaRue
Um, yeah, but that were all drug addicts and that's a big one. Um I Guess there's some sex workers that are up in the middle of the night but not this one I have kids So like you know I have a normal schedule.

22:03.69
Bruce Anthony
A.

22:05.57
Olivia LaRue
And I am not going to be answering your text that you sent me at two thirty in the middle of the night. Ask me if I want to go do some blow with you. Um, at the casino. No.

22:14.48
Bruce Anthony
Okay, yeah, no, all right? So that's a okay so and and in our in our pre show discussions. You mentioned that you have clients all over the us and internationally.

22:28.61
Olivia LaRue
And.

22:31.35
Bruce Anthony
And I'm really curious about this can you discuss how the legal status works for sex work in various parts of regions and internationally and how does that affect your work.

22:43.59
Olivia LaRue
Good question. Um, okay so in Nevada sex work is legal in certain counties. So it's not legal in the counties that have high population so where I'm at yeah.

22:50.31
Bruce Anthony
Oh really I thought it was legal across Nevada.

23:01.35
Olivia LaRue
Nope, but um, it is legal in cities as a municipal code if you look up your city like Seattle if you look it up, you are allowed to have a business that's an escort service. You just have to apply for the right business license. So it's actually legal in more places than people think but in Nevada in the county that I'm in and then the county that Las Vegas is in it is illegal.

23:19.89
Bruce Anthony
Index.

23:37.76
Olivia LaRue
So right when you cross the county line brothel brothel brothel brothel brothel brothel and so if you're in Vegas and you're getting the girls from the brothels. They're coming across the county line to come see you.

23:41.38
Bruce Anthony
Aha right.

23:48.88
Bruce Anthony
That would be illegal if they're coming into actually if they're coming into the city of Vegas because you said in vegas it's actually illegal.

24:00.40
Olivia LaRue
So it is illegal to solicit. It is illegal to pander and it is illegal to um, advertise yourself outwardly I guess like stand on the street corner and you know try to.

24:13.68
Bruce Anthony
A.

24:17.60
Olivia LaRue
The guys in the cars. But if someone contacts me and asks me if I can come over as long as there's no dollars for sex acts. So it's illegal to say how much would it cost for me to get insert sex act here.

24:33.94
Bruce Anthony
A.

24:37.16
Olivia LaRue
That's illegal and that's entrapment and you're gonna get blocked. But if you're texting a girl who's a known escort and you're asking her to come over for an hour how much would that be then that's not illegal. You're just asking how the the whole time for money thing.

24:50.65
Bruce Anthony
Now is that depending on state to state. So for instance I'm I'm actually in the state of Virginia but I'm right I'm literally right outside the line the dc line so we have escort services.

25:09.17
Olivia LaRue
Um.

25:09.33
Bruce Anthony
and and I'm going to ask because I should have asked it at the top of the the interview. What exactly would be considered sex work. Um, because even I am unsure about that. But so escorts so it in Virginia and Dc is it. And you don't need to know all the state codes but just generally speaking can somebody just say hey how much would it cost for you to come over for an hour and that isn't illegal no matter where you are or is it just in specific places that specific language.

25:41.80
Olivia LaRue
That language is pretty much legal anywhere because you could be talking about house cleaning. You could be talking about babysitting.

25:45.74
Bruce Anthony
Ha.

25:51.91
Bruce Anthony
Hu? okay, well for all those people that live in Dc now you know now you know so how does that work internationally like how does that do before you like clients that you have. And different areas because you're based out in Nevada so let's say you have a client in and Illinois right and they want to see you do they fly you out. Do you pay for your own expenses to meet with them. How does that even work.

26:11.25
Olivia LaRue
Then.

26:21.24
Olivia LaRue
Um, when I am meeting a client out of town. They will either buy my plane ticket or give me a deposit so I can buy my own plane ticket and then I'm going to see them and only them that's completely legal.

26:34.62
Bruce Anthony
Um, and.

26:37.73
Olivia LaRue
Be just like I'm going to go visit my uncle and he's paying for my plane ticket or whatever right? Um, so yeah, no worries where it gets a little sketchy is when you go on tour and you like girls do this all the time we go on tour and so we get a room.

26:39.92
Bruce Anthony
Who bright.

26:53.65
Bruce Anthony
Um, okay.

26:57.29
Olivia LaRue
Out of town and we advertise on the escort sites out of town and and then we see clients if you have an established clientele then it's a little better but if it's your first time there you don't know.

27:03.13
Bruce Anthony
A.

27:14.89
Olivia LaRue
Where the stings are here. They run stings every week you know it's like clockwork it's like oh the sands casino. It's Thursday night. Yeah, they're running a sting you know that's because I'm in the industry and I know that but if I went somewhere else if I went to Kentucky.

27:17.13
Bruce Anthony
Um, wow.

27:28.33
Bruce Anthony
And.

27:34.80
Olivia LaRue
I Don't know I don't know how they do stuff there. It's a little more dangerous and if I were to like go try to find clients by going and sitting in a bar and talking to somebody that's soliciting.

27:47.12
Bruce Anthony
Um, that's soliciting. Okay.

27:52.44
Olivia LaRue
It's even worse if I go and I try to find another girl to work for me somewhere else that's pandering. So and that's a felony soliciting prostitution' a misdemeanor.

27:59.35
Bruce Anthony
Um, Wow So wait a minute What? So Okay, ah, can you break that down for me.

28:07.52
Olivia LaRue
Yeah. So if somebody asked me if I want to X for dollars. That's a misdemeanor if I ask another girl if she would do that? yes.

28:20.36
Bruce Anthony
Um, ah, that's a felony. Wow.

28:26.88
Olivia LaRue
Like we you want you want to come work for me and do that and I just committed a felony where I live. Yes, yeah.

28:31.46
Bruce Anthony
Ah, but not where you live where you live So when you're mentoring escorts and they're working for you. That's all they come to you. You are not going into the casino and saying hey you're kind of pretty have you ever thought of this.

28:47.60
Olivia LaRue
Bingo that actually got me kicked out of a casino here. That's how I learned about that learning things Sideway I can I would love to I was at a casino this is before I had my condo downtown so I was renting rooms at the casino and.

28:49.65
Bruce Anthony
Oh wait, a minute can you tell me that story is that okay.

29:05.15
Olivia LaRue
Was getting a coffee and behind me in line was a pretty young lady and we were talking and she said I was pretty and I said she was pretty and then blah blah blah 1 thing leads to another I say hey you know if you want we can make some money so she comes up to my room and I start taking her pictures and I'm like yeah blah blah blah and she seemed totally into it. She's like oh let me know and I get her pictures posted online I'm like hey do you like these and she ghosts me the next day I go into the casino to go to my room to work and I'm locked out all my stuff's in security and they won't tell me why they just told me that I am kicked out and banned from that casino forever.

29:28.78
Bruce Anthony
And.

29:39.18
Bruce Anthony
Was it a setup Ha That's that's Wow banned from the casino forever. Whatever here, all right? So to to end this segment is how I should have been.

29:46.50
Olivia LaRue
Um I don't know. Yeah yeah, darn.

29:58.25
Bruce Anthony
And the segment but I'm so excited to get this interview that ah I'm jumping all over the place. What technically is sex work.

30:07.12
Olivia LaRue
Oh Good question and I'm sure I'm going to forget something So forgive me anybody that's listening to this and I forget their niche exotic dancing stripping escorting ah sugar baby cam girls. Ah, Porn stars. Only fan that can be sex work. Um massage parlors that offer the happy ending a sex work I might have forgot pimping. You know. And thing ain't easy being a madam um being an agent running a sex work ad site I think that's about it. Oh phone sex. They don't really do that is that a thing anymore.

30:44.35
Bruce Anthony
That's what they say I've never done it. But that's what they say.

30:56.97
Bruce Anthony
I would think that video phone sex would be more of a thing than actual but maybe maybe it is still a thing I I don't know but I do remember the the 8 seven six nine seven 6 2 6

31:05.10
Olivia LaRue
Yeah.

31:16.11
Bruce Anthony
3 4 numbers from ah that used to be on Usa up all night at at one o'clock in the morning and and 1993 when I was thirteen years old but that was too much information I just I made up that number that wasn't a real number.

31:22.35
Olivia LaRue
Um.

31:27.39
Olivia LaRue
Wow, You really do remember that it just it gets burned into your brain. Um.

07:07.76
Bruce Anthony
Wow. Wow that was just the first part of this interview and you could tell by the energy that Olivia brings to the table. Why she's good at her job like. As I'm speaking to her I feel my body gravitating towards not on a physical level I'm just she engages my attention and when you engage people's intention you could draw them in. She's probably I know for a fact that she's fantastic at her job of just making people feel comfortable because she made me feel comfortable. Ah, talking about topics that some could deem as uncomfortable I'm not one of those people I don't mind talk about sex I love sex. Um, but you know so sex makes people uncomfortable. Ah, it's ah and and it's good to talk to somebody who is free. Sexually free. Um because you feel you find so many people who are sexually repressed. Go back. Go back and look at all those ah serial killers and mass murderers sexually repressed sexually repressed you know and and and. And the crazy thing about it is the people that are supposed to be all right I was I was going to say I was getting ready attack. You know people that let's move on I'm not even gonna go there less less less move on. Maybe I'll talk about it on my talker straight is show.

08:41.99
Bruce Anthony
Unensored and I'll do a follow up of this interview where I could completely be unsensited and tell you about you know what? I think about people out there that are that are judging sex worker and are are repressed from are sexually repressed and all those stuff but I'm not gonna do that here but Olivia gave us. A lot of information about the misconceptions of sex work. What sex work actually is what is what constitutes sex work. Um, everybody always thinks sex work is either prostitution of porn and there's so much and more involved with it. There. The the sexual therapist part of it like people. Fake of sex therapy as Dr Ruth I don't know most of of you younger millennials and genz people are not going to know who Dr Ruth is do a Google search like do a Google search I'm not going to break down who Dr Rufu is but Dr Rufu was a sex therapist like 1 of the most popular and world renowned sex therapists and. You know Olivia breaks up a very valid point like you know people depending on how long you are with people or your history. Um, people get hung up on sex and and sex is a natural thing like sex is natural literally one of the most natural things that you could do. Right? It it's an at every species. Well every species that can has sex right? like sex is the thing sex is needed to procreate to keep the population going so sex in and of itself is not a bad thing i've.

10:15.70
Bruce Anthony
Always been the person that I've never understood why paying for sex is necessarily a bad thing I'm somebody who goes out on dates from time to time I have sex on my dates sorry mom but it's true I'm not a virgin. Ah, it's true. Um, could that be the same thing if I'm paying for the date if I'm taking them out for dinner. The kind I am I also paying for sex I mean it's a way to look at it so when you think of it and that aspect if I just wanted to go out there and just have some sex. Why do I had to go through all the other process especially if I'm not really interested in dating somebody. Why do I have to go through that whole process of entertaining somebody that I have no intention of actually being with it's a waste of time for both me and and other person. When the end goal unfortunately ladies sometimes the end goal for that man is just sex and if we could just give the money directly to a person. Well we find out that you can't even do that in that profession. But but you know we pay money out to get sex. That's. What it is and um I really appreciate Olivia opening up. There's there's a part two where we dig into more personal things about her life. Um, because this was basically solely about sex work and you know, kind of what she does for a living.

11:51.61
Bruce Anthony
And I I found it very very interesting and enlightening and engaging. She's a really good Interviewer. Ah interviewee. Um, just her personality bleeds through so this was part one. Check out part 2 It's coming to you I'll let you know, but until then I'm a holler.